I completely agree with you. Some of the comment are making me as sick as what happened to that man. Not to mention the lack of intervention he obviously did not receive after being subject to an abusive childhood which likely caused mental health issues. I don't know what all of the answers are but I know that killing people isn't one of them.
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Lawyer says Ohio killer's execution botched; took over 20 minutes for man to die
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I completely agree with you. Some of the comment are making me as sick as what happened to that man. Not to mention the lack of intervention he obviously did not receive after being subject to an abusive childhood which likely caused mental health issues. I don't know what all of the answers are but I know that killing people isn't one of them.
shinobi602
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Well, "fairness" means different things to different people. I guarantee every single person on this earth will differ on what's 'fair' on certain things. Also, in this case:
"DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt, and he acknowledged his responsibility in a letter to Gov. John Kasich last month."
From the people who brought you "No one will steal if you cut people's hands off."
Matt Attack
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I can't even begin to imagine the pain that she, her husband, and the rest of her family suffered. It's just too cruel. I don't blame anybody for not sympathizing with this guy- outside of the circumstances of his execution, I know I certainly don't.
That being said, if we're going to use capital punishment, I would prefer that we do our damnedest to make sure it's done in the most quick and painless way possible. I don't think there's any need to pile on more pain. We shouldn't be experimenting on a human's life in this manner.
Who gives a shit what it does for anyone else. What does it even matter to you? The punishment fits the crime.
Sutton Dagger
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Wow...it seems you were born in the wrong era, the middle ages suits your bloodlust.
If you knew you'd be punished every time you exceeded the speed limit on the highway, would you still speed on the highway?
Nah, I'm content right here in this era, but then again I'm not behaving like they did back then and raping and murdering innocent women. Ya feel me? He brought it on himself. Easy choice not to behave that way. EASY.
This isn't someone who was starving and desperate and robbed someone to feed himself and survive. Nope. This is someone who raped and murdered someone. At that point I feel no sorrow for what comes to him after. Sorry if that offends you.
I'm sure people would roll with the argument of it being too humane beyond the fact that sounds rather expensive for a process I don't think we even use often enough to warrant the cost. Executions on the whole are pretty barbaric though. I don't have any opinion on whether they should occur or not, but I don't believe that there is any one dignified way to forcibly end someone's life.
Seth C's America
You must be new to this kind of threads. The eye for an eye
I would feel justice. Im sorry you dont feel that way.
Alligatorjandro
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Why cant people stop killing?
I'm no fan of the death sentence, especially since it is disproportionately and poorly applied. But.
1. My cat, who I recently put down, gasped several times, with almost identical treatment, but was not conscious or aware. Took about 15 minutes.
2. How long did the rape and murder of his pregnant victim take?
1. My cat, who I recently put down, gasped several times, with almost identical treatment, but was not conscious or aware. Took about 15 minutes.
2. How long did the rape and murder of his pregnant victim take?
Reading the OP is hard I guess. Also, gasping for air can be entirely involuntary. There's no reason to assume he felt any pain.
ElfArmy177
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Holy shit agreed. I would have made it 30 min minimum of suffering. Fuck that dude. I couldn't imagine losing my wife and kid in such a barbaric manner. When your throat is slit you don't die immediately. Fast But not immediately. I'm sure she suffered and was so scared.
People defend anything. If the dude hadn't admitted it fine as people have been put to death accidently. Guy was a monster, and I don't believe anyone should give a fuck how long he suffers for.
I'm sorry killing someone doesn't add anything meaningful to my life too.
Chainsawkitten
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HalfBakedProphet
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hammurabi's code alive and well. Gotta keep that bronze age bloodlust alive
The problem is that these sorts of crimes still occur in states where the death penalty is legal. I'm pretty sure I've read in the past that the death penalty doesn't actually do anything to deter these sorts of crimes, since the perpetrators are sociopaths.
Even still, I'm with you in that I support these types of individuals being removed from the planet.
If anything, it may have been more uncomfortable for the people watching than it was for him.
Since I can't help but be a masochist and keep reading this thread...for those of you that are reacting as if the murder was yesterday, remember that it happened in 1989. Those of you putting yourself in the family's shoes: even if you were the husband or part of the murdered woman's family, do you think your bloodlust (specifically the want to see the murderer suffer) would have sustained itself over more than 20 years? If so, I guess you've got a new topic to talk to your shrink about.
Davis_McGee
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He traveled the world - most of the programme (Michael Portillo's "How To Kill a Human Being" Horizon episode) was filmed in the Netherlands. The conclusion you're referring to was presented by Robert Blecker, to be a counterpoint to Portillo's well-publicised viewpoints. The subtext to the programme was that Portillo was a very senior cabinet minister in a time before the total abolition of the death penalty - he could feasibly have been the one signing the death warrant. He publicly came to the conclusion that he would be unable to do so.
So you're saying you wouldn't speed anymore, am I right? Or would to rather evade the question entirely?
Go on, answer. It will be fun.
Which is totally why our murder rate is so much lower than countries without the death penalty...
Oh... wait
SomethingInTheSea
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But that's not how people think, nobody expects that they personally will be the one who is caught committing a crime. Its been shown that neither sentences or even police numbers have any real effect on the level of crime. Crime is only really effected by socio economic factors.
Professor Beef
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Prisoners have rights too.
It's not so much sympathy to the individual as it is questioning the manner of how he died.
People are different.
So just let him walk free? Keep him locked up? Not like he stole a bike. rape and murder.
I'am not entirely convinced that his death turn out like that is "unfair" but this point of view seems excessive to me. Having him suffer in a simmilar way his victim did because of an unreliable untested methods falls into the realm of ""romantic justice"" for me. But putting him throgh such death deliverately -therefore having someone to point out as responsable for something that it's not suposed to be designated for an individual.
So what arbitrary time period between murder and punishment would you say is appropriate for the death penalty? How many years do you think it took for the husband to stop remembering the anniversary of his wedding? His dead wife's birthday?
Capital punishment is fucking crazy, and this is just one of the many reasons why it should be abolished. It's disgusting to see the law play God, the all decider on who gets to live and die. Actively killing a person is wrong and disgusting, and shouldn't even be in the judical system in the first place. It's a barbaric, ancient practice, and it's truly sad that it's still around today.
It doesn't matter if the perpetrator "deserves" it or not. We're supposed to be above that.
It doesn't matter if the perpetrator "deserves" it or not. We're supposed to be above that.
Baldwin_the_First
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Imprisonment for some criminals just ain't enough. What happens when a criminal-to-be just doesn't mind going to prison for his crime(s) not yet commited? He goes on with the crime(s) and takes the chance he goes to jail. But what the fuck does it matter to him now that he did what he wanted?
The death penalty is not a petty revenge system. Even some of the shittiest human beings, ie: rapist and killers, fear death after a prolonged time in the cell with themselves. It's a matter of giving dire consequences to the act of stealing another human beings sanity or life.
The death penalty is not a petty revenge system. Even some of the shittiest human beings, ie: rapist and killers, fear death after a prolonged time in the cell with themselves. It's a matter of giving dire consequences to the act of stealing another human beings sanity or life.
Sutton Dagger
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Again, is it fair to torture and execute innocent people, because it can and does happen? It's called a slippery slope, one innocent person who is executed is too much. I'm not saying this guy is innocent either.
BloodMoney
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This dude did not suffer, please understand... and who cares anyway. He's in heaven now.
There needs to be a Sesame Street episode that explains what sedative drugs are, particularly powerful ones like benzodiazepines.
There needs to be a Sesame Street episode that explains what sedative drugs are, particularly powerful ones like benzodiazepines.
In most cases, I have no doubt that it has no effect. Sociopaths are sociopaths. That's what it is. They will go on crazy rape/murder rampages no matter what and no punishment on earth will solve that. Only selective genetic reproduction could do that. But you know, we have decided that isn't humane. The clinically insane and sociopathic citizens should be left to breed at will, greater good be damned. So we are left with what we have.
In a few cases, where vaguely mentally stable people who have a moderately functioning thought process consider such actions, having absolute knowledge they would be tortured and killed or left to rot...well, as a sane person I'd rethink my actions if I were assured that would be the outcome. But perhaps I'm coming at this from the faulty perspective of the sane.
HalfBakedProphet
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this is what we call a straw man. I've posted my opinion on the first page
Brother, I'm trying to help you here, the question is idiotic.
Sorry, but I would wish a lot worse than a 20 min death on the man.
You're not seriously advocating for the preventive effect of capital punishment, do you? Because, facts do not agree with your impotent bloodlust.
And marriages are supposed to last til the spouses die of old age, and pregnant newlyweds aren't supposed to be raped and murdered.
What happened there I wonder
shinobi602
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When taken in a vacuum, without a question, of course not. In regards to innocents becoming unfairly jailed or executed, I would push for much higher standards/reformation of crime investigation, evidence keeping, etc to ensure 100% someone as being guilty, as opposed to getting rid of capital punishment.
That's what they were trying to do. If they knew how to do it better, I'd imagine that they'd have done it.
KillerMan91
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States that have capital punishment don't have lower muder rates than those without. Also US as a whole has highest murder rate in developed word and it's one of the few with capital punishment. It just doesn't work as an deterrent.
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