Even if there was I wouldn't be a fan of it, I was talking about torture.
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Lawyer says Ohio killer's execution botched; took over 20 minutes for man to die
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Even if there was I wouldn't be a fan of it, I was talking about torture.
I heard about this the other day on NPR. My first thought was what if it went wrong and this combination wasn't as effective as previous drugs.
It actually sounds like you support the death penalty.
It actually sounds like you support the death penalty.
n00bsauce87
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These are the reasons why I've changed my stance from for to against the death penalty. I don't want my name tied to that.
HalfBakedProphet
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this isn't about sympathy for a murderer or "giving fucks" as it were. Its about how we have agreed as a society to deal with people on death row and how the attorney general of Ohio was out of line with what he said. What a fucked up presidence that could set
Crime aside, if you intend to follow executions to the letter of the law, you had best do it. It's hard to find pity for a man accused of what he did but still, you don't just shrug your shoulders and wash your hands of the constitution then call it a day after something like that happens. The reaction I understand from the general public, but from an Attorney General I expect a bit more.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
What would be your stance if they changed the carrying out of capital punishment to more proven methods?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I wonder why they don't use something like a lethal dose of morphine. There have to be tons of ways to chemically kill someone. Why use the way that would leave them struggling to breathe for 10 minutes instead of just using one that allows them to drift off and their heart to stop.
Lol same.
Mammoth Jones
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I'm not glad, ideally his death would just be death. But I do think people that rape and murder should be put down. Efficiently and as pain free as possible.
I'm not horribly upset about this given his crime. Dude didn't get killed cause he didn't pay his parking tickets....
carpediemdp
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What the guy did was pretty disgusting, but this quote:
is just stupid. There is no humane or dignifying way to kill somebody as punishment.
is just stupid. There is no humane or dignifying way to kill somebody as punishment.
mugoldeneagle03
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Being sentenced to death is punishment enough, but 20 minutes of suffering compared to how long the victims have suffered might seem like a wash.
Either way this is an ugly situation.
Either way this is an ugly situation.
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My wife is pregnant and newlywed, and we are going to name our son Lucas.
If I was superstitious, I don't even know what I'd come away from this story thinking.
If I was superstitious, I don't even know what I'd come away from this story thinking.
ChainedMaster
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They used benzodiazepines and opiates to kill him. Sounds like the most pleasant way to die for me.
CountAntonius
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Hal: Okay, boys, okay. Now, what in the hell happened?
Paul: An execution. A successful one.
Hal: How in the name of Christ can you call that a success?
Paul: Eduard Delacroix is dead. [looks at Percy] Isn't he?
Paul: An execution. A successful one.
Hal: How in the name of Christ can you call that a success?
Paul: Eduard Delacroix is dead. [looks at Percy] Isn't he?
And what about his victim??? I can't imagine her death was swift and painless? He's dead now so no point in talking it about it further.
Alligatorjandro
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Felt bad until I read what he did.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Even if he got high immediately, pretty sure that struggling to breath and slowly losing air is suffering.
CountAntonius
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Nothing they feel will makes sense to anyone who hasn't been in their position. It's easy to sit atop a high horse and make judgments on people who want justice for murdered loved ones and call them barbaric. It's OK to simply not want those people to exist anymore.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yup.
From the article:
Probably.
I'm sure there is some history of it available to read but why is it that we've come to pretty much only using lethal injection for the death penalty in the US? I know hanging, the electric chair and gas can be seen as cruel or unusual but when you read about something like this with lethal injection, that seems just as bad.
Why not something like the guillotine or firing squad? Do they not want an individual acting as an "executioner" or something and having that weighing on them? Yet, whoever ok'd this drug cocktail and dosage would likely have as much guilt weighing on their conscience as somebody executing somebody via firing squad or something.
pikachu Lv 5
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It's disturbing and it's not right but if I was the parent of the murder victim I don't know if I could feel any sort of remorse for McGuire. I'd probably hope for a more painful execution.
The best part though is that he believes in a heaven and that he gets entry to it.
The best part though is that he believes in a heaven and that he gets entry to it.
BloodMoney
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The first drug that was administered was a sedative, dude was knocked out. Convulsions while unconscious don't strike me as suffering. Ohio set out to execute a rapist-murderer and achieve the goal using the drugs that were available.
Perhaps people should be mad at the European chemical companies who have put a ban on supplying drugs for lethal injections (which have been used successfully for decades)?
Perhaps people should be mad at the European chemical companies who have put a ban on supplying drugs for lethal injections (which have been used successfully for decades)?
This was an untried execution method that failed. You are all advocating using death penalty convicts as experimental test subjects against their will.
I don't know, getting mad at a company who's prerogative probably isn't to be associated with executions is difficult to do. I don't blame the company, but the general situation is disturbing nonetheless. I wouldn't claim to know anything beyond what the story lets us know, but then again, I wouldn't subject people watching an execution to something experimental either should things go south like they did.
You can forgive someone for doing something wrong while expecting them to face the consequences.
I didn't see anyone there saying they support it, just that they didn't feel bad for the guy that it happened. One person in those you quoted even said they shouldn't use the method again.
So you subject yourself to the images of personal suffering to justify the suffering of another? Seems about right
CountAntonius
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They are simply more disgusted at the original crime than the botched death penalty. I don't think they are advocating anything just speaking out based on emotion.
smokeandmirrors
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Nothing promotes a drug or a chemical like "IT KILLS PEOPLE" for the world to see.
Yup. On the one hand, not acceptable. On the other, why the fuck should I care? It was still far more civilized than the death he dealt his victim. In the end, I just can't be bothered to feel sorry for him.
Simply put? I'm of the opinion that he sacrificed his rights the moment his "will" led him to rape and murder a pregnant woman. Prior, I would have cared. That's the moment I no longer cared about his opinion because he stole the life of an innocent.
Democracy at work lol!
But the way they phrased it seems off. "We have forgiven him but he still needs to die because .."
it is the right thing to do?
it will make us feel better?
he deserves it?
:/
The issue isn't whether the person in question deserved to die or suffer. If he did what he was convicted of, then it's reasonable to conclude that he did.
The relevant question is whether we as a society are OK with a flawed criminal justice system that results in disproportionate conviction and execution of minorities, inconsistent and sometimes torturous methods of execution, and the always looming and disturbing possibility of wrongful executions.
I don't feel much sympathy for the guy, but that doesn't mean what he went through is right. As a supposedly just society, we should be above eye for an eye-style punishments.
The relevant question is whether we as a society are OK with a flawed criminal justice system that results in disproportionate conviction and execution of minorities, inconsistent and sometimes torturous methods of execution, and the always looming and disturbing possibility of wrongful executions.
I don't feel much sympathy for the guy, but that doesn't mean what he went through is right. As a supposedly just society, we should be above eye for an eye-style punishments.
Matt Attack
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Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting. Nobody should have to suffer like this.
Gabotron ES
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Can't say I feel sorry for him.
LostCaress
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Is this related to that propofol thing? How hard is it to kill someone? Just give him some pentobarbital and get it over with fast and easy.
(I'm against the death penalty though, so I'd obviously choose not to kill him if I was in charge)
(I'm against the death penalty though, so I'd obviously choose not to kill him if I was in charge)
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