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[fluffydelusions]

If you're going to go with this angle, you should know it actually costs more to execute someone than it is to just jail them for the rest of their life.

I don't doubt you at all but I'd love to hear the explanation of this.

 

[Das Ace]

He's dead. Worked perfectly fine IMHO. And being perfectly honest, I could give ZERO FUCKS for how his family might feel over his death.

I feel sorry for the pregnant woman who was butchered and probably was choking on her own blood when this monster was raping and killing her.

Guilt doesn't occur by association.
You are allowed to have sympathy for a daughter who watched their father choke for 15 minutes. You can understand the trauma that her, and the prison guards who had to watch it, could suffer because of it.

 

[Fenderputty]

I don't doubt you at all but I'd love to hear the explanation of this.

Appeals process and court / lawyer fees.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Appeals process and court / lawyer fees.

But since 1989?

 

[ultrazilla]

Guilt doesn't occur by association.
You are allowed to have sympathy for a daughter who watched their father choke for 15 minutes. You can understand the trauma that her, and the prison guards who had to watch it, could suffer because of it.

Guess I'm in the minority then. If anyone of my family members did this to someone, I wouldn't feel upset for them getting justice ie: the death penalty.

 

[Fenderputty]

But since 1989?

We are talking life sentences here.

 

[GungHo]

How can you be for a system that puts people to death that isn't perfect?

 

[fluffydelusions]

Guess I'm in the minority then. If anyone of my family members did this to someone, I wouldn't feel upset for them getting justice ie: the death penalty.

What if they had some sort of mental condition? I'm not arguing in this guys favor just a legit question.

 

[Ferrio]

Guess I'm in the minority then. If anyone of my family members did this to someone, I wouldn't feel upset for them getting justice ie: the death penalty.

But would you be upset in the way they got justice though? You'd have to be a heartless motherfucker to see someone that raised you being put to death in a painful way.

 

[fluffydelusions]

We are talking life sentences here.

Yeah but if he was sentenced to death why not just do it right away rather than wait all those years wasting tax payer money?

 

[dripdripsplash]

I think it's tasteless the way the US and some people look at convicts. Stripping them of their humanity.

No matter what a person has done, no one deserves that.

Reading stories like this I feel so blessed and glad to live in Denmark. The Scandinavian model is truly the superior.

 

[Fenderputty]

Yeah but if he was sentenced to death why not just do it right away rather than wait all those years wasting tax payer money?

To make sure it was him. We've killed innocent people because our jury system is imperfect at best.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Too be honest he deserved the most agonizing death. No one should get the easy "instant death". This should be the norm, and be set out as an example. I can't believe anyone would defend a criminal. If I were the husband I would take the vials myself and shove them so far up his ass till he chokes on them. I can't believe anyone would pity this dirt bag of meat.


Good Riddance.

Lol at your strawman argument.

 

[bishoptl]

The state should have done better by him - standards need to be met. That said, I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[GungHo]

Appeals process and court / lawyer fees.

The incarceration expenses are also higher. They're all in solitary. They are watched 24/7. Their guards, medical staff, and other staff are paid more, use more sick time, and use more medical benefits.

 

[Cronox]

You know, in reading more comments here, why is the matter of this individual's crimes even part of the conversation? He was on death row, and his execution was done in a manner that was improper and upsetting for some of the audience. This was a matter of incompetence, on what appears to be the state government level. All the other debates are unnecessary.

If you disagree that the execution was not done properly, and that the inmate's dying reactions are fine or even desirable, please lay out your argument. And if you make that argument based on your gut reaction to the circumstances of the inmate's death row conviction, you lose.

 

[fluffydelusions]

To make sure it was him. We've killed innocent people because our jury system is imperfect at best.

Yeah good point there but I wonder how long most people sit on death row even if they admit to the crime.

 

[Amon37]

meh nothing of value was lost and we got to test something new.

win-win

 

[xbhaskarx]

put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant newlywed, Joy Stewart.

Madden had argued that while the U.S. Constitution bans cruel and unusual punishment, "you're not entitled to a pain-free execution."

McGuire: aww poor guy was in pain for a few minutes
Madden: omg what an asshole with no regard for others!!

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I don't understand why they don't just sedate people (like they do for surgeries and the like) and then kill them. I mean, wouldn't that be easier?

Have to find a doctor to sedate the fella I guess?
Which may be tricky because they might not want to participate in the killing of a prisoner.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Anyone here in a society that doesn't carry out capital punishments but wish their society did?

 

[koryuken]

So he raped and killed a PREGNANT newly-wed, no pity here, actually kind of glad. Just imagining my wife going through that is enough to justify it.

Murdering someone else makes you just as bad as the murderer.

 

[daw840]

I haven't read all of the replies, but I have stated this in past death penalty threads. I am 100% for the death penalty but only if we can be 100% sure that the person that is being executed is guilty. If that can't be guaranteed, I am completely against the death penalty.

If even ONE person is executed wrongly then it shouldn't be an option. We're talking about ending someone's life here. Life in jail at least gives the option that an unjustly convicted person can be released.

However, if we were able to 100% guarantee that said person is guilty, I don't really care if it's done in a completely painless way or not. I wouldn't want it to be wantonly gratuitous in the pain level, but this doesn't seem like cruel and unusual punishment for someone who brutally raped and murdered a pregnant woman.

 

[Valhelm]

Yeah good point there but I wonder how long most people sit on death row even if they admit to the crime.

About fifteen years. Capital punishment is incredibly inefficient and expensive. Even if you ignore the (quite massive) humanitarian concern, execution is a pointless and horribly messy process.

 

[ICKE]

I think it's tasteless the way the US and some people look at convicts. Stripping them of their humanity.

No matter what a person has done, no one deserves that.

Reading stories like this I feel so blessed and glad to live in Denmark. The Scandinavian model is truly the superior.

You'd be surprised to find out how many people in Europe actually support capital punishment in cases such as these. The only difference is our society is not based on sense of justice as far as the general public is considered - but on perceived higher principles.

I wouldn't call it "truly superior", it is definitely more humane but at the same time the public often feels criminals get off too easy and feel the system is not fair. Who knows what the consequences of that might be.

 

[tapedeck]

Murdering someone else makes you just as bad as the murderer.

So in your world killing someone via lethal injection (even a partially botched one) is the same as raping and then stabbing to death a pregnant newlywed?

 

[fluffydelusions]

Have to find a doctor to sedate the fella I guess?
Which may be tricky because they might not want to participate in the killing of a prisoner.

Isn't it basically like they go to sleep anyway? P.S I actually have no idea how it works. I'm just assuming this from movies I've seen lol

 

[badblue]

20 minutes to die, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And seems a little less humane then say, firing squad.

I'm not 100% sure that this man deserved death. Are there not people in prison for life, that have done worse?

 

[Valhelm]

Murdering someone else makes you just as bad as the murderer.

Are you actually saying that killing this man through lethal injection is the same as raping and murdering a pregnant woman? You don't see any difference between the two situations?

 

[Huff]

The state should have done better by him - standards need to be met. That said, I won't lose any sleep over it.

the use of these drugs is standard in other states executions.

there is almost no way this guy felt any pain as he died

 

[Halvie]

felt bad until I read what he did.

.

 

[Dai101]

Anyone here in a society that doesn't carry out capital punishments but wish their society did?

Mexican here, no and fuck NO.

 

[Huff]

20 minutes to die, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And seems a little less humane then say, firing squad.

omg are you fucking kidding me.

he died by painkiller overdose.

 

[The Adder]

Yeah good point there but I wonder how long most people sit on death row even if they admit to the crime.

People who have admitted to crimes have been discovered years later to have been innocent.

 

[fluffydelusions]

So silly question. Who actually pays for funeral costs and such for when someone gets put to death sentence.

 

[RedShift]

I haven't read all of the replies, but I have stated this in past death penalty threads. I am 100% for the death penalty but only if we can be 100% sure that the person that is being executed is guilty. If that can't be guaranteed, I am completely against the death penalty.

If even ONE person is executed wrongly then it shouldn't be an option. We're talking about ending someone's life here. Life in jail at least gives the option that an unjustly convicted person can be released.

However, if we were able to 100% guarantee that said person is guilty, I don't really care if it's done in a completely painless way or not. I wouldn't want it to be wantonly gratuitous in the pain level, but this doesn't seem like cruel and unusual punishment for someone who brutally raped and murdered a pregnant woman.

It's impossible to be 100% sure about anything at all, human minds are always able to make mistakes. You'll always end up killing innocent people eventually.

I'd be against it even if we had a God-like omniscient AI that could determine guilt though. It doesn't work as a detterent, all it does is try and get two wrongs to make a right.

 

[Conor_Fool]

I don't support death penalty.

But for some reason after reading the crime he committed, I had a big smile in my face knowing that he suffered. In fact, I wouldn't mind if it is longer. Revenge is too sweet.

You might want to see a therapist. What you said is both disgusting and disturbing.

Considering the man committed the crime nearly 25 years ago, is it so much to imagine that he may have been a changed man? People change for the better, even if they were once a murdering and raping piece of filth.

 

[xbhaskarx]

felt bad until I read what he did.

Before you read that part, what did you think they were executing him for, jaywalking?

Only convicted murderers face the death penalty in the US, this isn't China.

 

[daw840]

20 minutes to die, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And seems a little less humane then say, firing squad.

I'm not 100% sure that this man deserved death. Are there not people in prison for life, that have done worse?

Honestly....if they have done worse they don't deserve to breathe. Hell, what this guy did (if he actually did it) is middle of the road in my mind for people who don't deserve to breathe.

 

[fluffydelusions]

20 minutes to die, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And seems a little less humane then say, firing squad.

I'm not 100% sure that this man deserved death. Are there not people in prison for life, that have done worse?

I'd guess they don't use firing squads because some may want an open casket funeral though tbh not sure how many people would want to attend a funeral of someone who got put to death but hey...

 

[hipsterpants]

just boiling the death penalty down to "this guy did something really awful and deserves to die" is a really lazy way to ignore the other issues like racism/cost/actual closure for the family affected.

 

[The BS Police]

I don't support death penalty.

But for some reason after reading the crime he committed, I had a big smile in my face knowing that he suffered. In fact, I wouldn't mind if it is longer. Revenge is too sweet.

No words...

 

[Alligatorjandro]

How do you even rehabilitate someone who did something like this?

 

[fluffydelusions]

People who have admitted to crimes have been discovered years later to have been innocent.

Wasn't Kevin Spacey in a movie about this lol

 

[daw840]

It's impossible to be 100% sure about anything at all, human minds are always able to make mistakes. You'll always end up killing innocent people eventually.

I'd be against it even if we had a God-like omniscient AI that could determine guilt though. It doesn't work as a detterent, all it does is try and get two wrongs to make a right.

I don't give a shit if it doesn't work as a deterrent. Your actions have consequences. A consequence of committing these insanely heinous acts is you don't get to live anymore. As a matter of fact, if we had a 100% correct god AI I would be all for the eye for an eye style punishment. You suffer as your victims suffered.

I do want to make clear that I am speaking in hypotheticals here....just to be clear. I am against the death penalty because we can't make any of these guarantees.

 

[Sons Of Anarchy]

Does anyone think criminals get off too easy in the US ?

Edit: wrong word

 

[Carnby]

I have no sympathy for the man who raped and murdered a pregnant woman. None at all.

 

[CountAntonius]

Wasn't Kevin Spacey in a movie about this lol

So that's what K-Pax was about...

 

[Ferrio]

Does anyone think criminals get off too easy in the US ?

Edit: wrong word

Only white collar.

 

[Kuroyume]

Opinion piece on this that I thought put it nicely:

Which may, in fact, reflect the thinking of plenty of Americans. After all, you could argue that McGuire’s victim, Joy Stewart, undoubtedly suffered, so why should McGuire get off “easy”?

But, sorry, I just can’t bring myself to accept that argument. It’s one thing for a psychopath, or a damaged individual, to commit a horrific crime in which someone is killed. It’s something else for “we the people” to intentionally inflict a painful death on someone as punishment for such a crime.

Try as I might, I don’t accept that justice demands that we as a society stoop to the level of those we condemn.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-ohio-execution-experiment-20140116,0,4788786.story