RedNumberFive
Banned
Who is giving them this money? I don't understand.
Brain damaged individuals (PA fans).
Who is giving them this money? I don't understand.
Could be a joke, but as the saying goes: "Its immoral to let a sucker keep his money
It's absolutely terrible how they're holding guns to people's heads and forcing them to empty their wallets.
For people getting upset that it isn't actually kick starting anything, you guys sure don't seem to understand how the pledges system works. There isn't a 1:1 money:reward ratio. If you do that it would be stupid since it's highly inefficient.
What is scummy about this?
Can the fans of this justify the $10 goal?
It's quite clearly there because they don't really give a shit and just want as much money as possible.
That's a fucking saying?
The kickstarter isn't scummy, it's the tactic being used. PA knows that they could pretty much get anything paid for if they want through crowd funding. They carry a really popular and well known brand. It's scummy to use their brand to get people to pay for something like a podcast, which (as others have pointed out) doesn't cost all that much to create and produce.
The initial goal is 10$
The stretch goal is 20.000$ and people get a song.
Did they need 19.990$ to make a song?
As far as we know, they won't even need half of that for the equipment they're saying. Kicktsarted is not an store, if they want to produce a podcast and sell them to their fans they should do it on their own.
There's nothing scummy about it. People aren't being forced to pay anything to this kickstarter.
Because they're not tricking anyone into anything.
The kickstarter isn't scummy, it's the tactic being used. PA knows that they could pretty much get anything paid for if they want through crowd funding. They carry a really popular and well known brand. It's scummy to use their brand to get people to pay for something like a podcast, which (as others have pointed out) doesn't cost all that much to create and produce.
It's scummy to ask when you're already well off and double dipping by charging for it.
Things cost money. Film at 11.
PA's doing nothing wrong. PA made their offer. You're free to like it. You're free to hate it. You're free to fund it. You're free to NOT fund it. You know what you're getting, because they told you. You want it, you pay for it, however much you see fit. You don't want it, you don't pay for it, you walk away. No one is forcing anyone to donate. People can Kickstart whatever they want, because no one is forcing anyone to donate.The problem isnt with the people donating...its with PA for doing it.
Why would any of us give a shit about your education? What's in it for us?
(Serious answer, "fund my life" is not a permissible Kickstarter project.)
They're just using their already accumulated exposure to brute force their way to extra money. Setting a $10 goal is a scammer's amount that is only approved because of their name. No one else would be able to get away with this. Just as they got away with running their KS to adjust their business model.
There's nothing scummy about it. People aren't being forced to pay anything to this kickstarter.
The kickstarter isn't scummy, it's the tactic being used. PA knows that they could pretty much get anything paid for if they want through crowd funding. They carry a really popular and well known brand. It's scummy to use their brand to get people to pay for something like a podcast, which (as others have pointed out) doesn't cost all that much to create and produce.
The same people would probably still donate.Can you explain how the $10 goal as opposed to a $10,000 goal affects the total haul from this KS?
Like, if it said 10,000, do you think people would be less likely to donate?
What's the mechanism by which the $10 goal is trickery but a $10,000 goal isn't?
This is a serious question because I acknowledge that I might not be seeing something that other people are.
PA's doing nothing wrong. PA made their offer. You're free to feel it's shit. You're free to fund it. And you're free to NOT fund it. You know what you're getting, because they told you. You want it, you pay for it, however much you see fit. You don't want it, you don't pay for it. No one is forcing anyone to donate. People can Kickstart whatever they want, because no one is forcing anyone to donate.
Can you explain how the $10 goal as opposed to a $10,000 goal affects the total haul from this KS?
Like, if it said 10,000, do you think people would be less likely to donate?
What's the mechanism by which the $10 goal is trickery but a $10,000 goal isn't?
This is a serious question because I acknowledge that I might not be seeing something that other people are.
So whenever people are scammed money or taken advantage of outside of kickstarter we ignore it? No we don't.
Funding for general business expenses wasn't supposed to be allowed under their guidelines, but they let the first PA kickstarter happen anyway.
So the scummy part is they aren't actually kick starting it, and are actually using it as a public form of donation. I don't really call that scummy. You and me have quite different ideas of things being scummy.
Nobody is hurt. People who want it can easily join. People who don't don't have to. The money is going to PA, a website I like and gladly support. I am getting a product I want in return.
If you are saying this isn't what kickstarter was intended for, I agree. But nobody is getting hurt here. Who loses?
So whenever people are scammed money or taken advantage of outside of kickstarter we ignore it? No we don't.
No, obviously not. But nobody is being scammed here, that's the point. There is no scam happening here. Period.
Except not, no one is being scammed. They chose to donate for the kickstarter.
So whenever people are scammed money or taken advantage of outside of kickstarter we ignore it? No we don't. Yes people are willingly giving their money to them, but people williningly give money to nigerian scammers and all sorts of stuff, but they're still dealt with.
So whenever people are scammed money or taken advantage of outside of kickstarter we ignore it? No we don't. Yes people are willingly giving their money to them, but people williningly give money to nigerian scammers and all sorts of stuff, but they're still dealt with.
Agreed. It's disgusting how they take advantage of people with horrible decision making skills.
You can donate if you want them to have your money or you can choose not to. You have no reason to be upset.
Its modest because they don't want the project to "fail" i.e. keep all the money without any cancellation.
Can you explain how the $10 goal as opposed to a $10,000 goal affects the total haul from this KS?
Like, if it said 10,000, do you think people would be less likely to donate?
What's the mechanism by which the $10 goal is trickery but a $10,000 goal isn't?
This is a serious question because I acknowledge that I might not be seeing something that other people are.
Because podcasting isn't cheap.
The difference, of course, is that those scammers actively seek to deceive people. The Kickstarter here does not, it's just saying 'I want money, please give me money,' and people are saying 'okay.'