anyways, this photo is amazing
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWLGJ1JlKUL/
i'm going to hop on the aru bandwagon!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWLGJ1JlKUL/
i'm going to hop on the aru bandwagon!
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Tour de France 2017 |OT|
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jakonovski
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Demare gave Bouhanni a choice of brake or crash. It's the same situation as with Sagan and Cav. The only difference is that Cav is more stubborn than Bouhanni.
Ergo, you punish both or neither.
Cavendish didn't have the option of braking or moving out of the way.
jakonovski
Member
You totally miss the point. It's that Demare caused a situation too. I don't understand why your dislike of Sagan makes you overlook other dangerous riders.
Because he was in too tight a spot and coming up behind Sagan?
You're just contradicting yourself now ...
I actually like Sagan, although he makes the fight for the green jersey boring but he makes stages like the one on Monday interesting. But he has to be punished for dirty moves which he knows better. He is at the age where he should have switched full-time to a Greg Van Avermaet like role, going for the classics and more difficult rides as he is no pure sprinter.
If you are driving on the freeway on your lane and someone cuts you off, that is your fault? That is what happened here.
Joelstinton14
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The italian National Jersey is really nice. Might have to buy one even though i am cornish!
Nicesy Jersey i seen in a while, goes really well with Aru's Red Argon Gallium.
Nicesy Jersey i seen in a while, goes really well with Aru's Red Argon Gallium.
- so he makes the fight for green boring, but isnt a pure sprinter... right.
- on the freeway, in a car, you have turn signals to indicate where you're going. And in a general sense, arent racing others. This is just a bonkers metaphor.
chicken_pasta
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Did you see this year's Giro? Quintana was terrible. He wouldn't cooperate, he wouldn't attack. Terrible for the show, and the result was more than he deserved.
i clearly remember his finish up blockhaus and his many attempts at attacking solo during every mountain top finish despite the odds being more against him after the unfortunate police motorbike incident that removed some of the strongest climbers out of either the gc or the race entirely. he arguably did more than he should've during the giro and it's more than showing atm
and are you seriously discrediting his podium finish after it being his third straight grand tour? mind you, three straight tours with two podium finishes while wining one in a superb showing.
i mean, just look at this shit and he's only 27. there is nothing lukewarm about quitana outside of unrealistic expectations
As I said before, he takes a lot of points in not-sprint stages, by going over the first mountain or by taking victories like Monday. It is how he wins the green jersey when Greipel wins four stages two years ago. Are you going to try and say he is a pure sprint with the speed of Kittel, Greipel and the likes?
The Last Wizard
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What hell is with all these commercials😑
Which reminds me how grateful I'm that the Flemish state channel has the rights, so it is completely ad-free, and in HD, and streamed via their site.
In a stage with a flat arrival Sagan isn't going to be the favorite, that's true He's a more well rounded sprinter though.
Where Sagan can take points during stages, do uphill sprints and compete in regular sprints, the others such as Kittel and Greipel will only show their speed in picture perfect sprint arrivals.
I guess it's a definition of what you feel a sprinter should be.
In 2015 Froome won one stage and took the yellow jersey home. It's the same issue really. If you want to win either the green or yellow, you have to be the most well rounded in your class.
It is a sprinters competition. It should reward sprinters. It is like winning the mountain jersey with average performances on each out of category mountain. And yes, Froome looks like a boring winner because he is calculating and doesn't take stage wins unless he needs to. And the stuff you are seeing as advantage to Sagan, aren't sprinter stages. It is the terrain of people like Greg and Gilbert. That is the type of people he should compete with. But it is not the show of people going 60-70 km per hour in a huge explosion of strength.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you.
In a show of force it is much more interesting to see the sprint competition being fought at the finish line.
As it stands however, for both the yellow and green jerseys riders are being rewarded for averages instead of peak performances.
And both Sagan and Froome are making clever use of that fact.
In a show of force it is much more interesting to see the sprint competition being fought at the finish line.
As it stands however, for both the yellow and green jerseys riders are being rewarded for averages instead of peak performances.
And both Sagan and Froome are making clever use of that fact.
jakonovski
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Slight beating of a dead horse, but here's final proof that Sagan didn't elbow Cav. It was Cav's handlebar pulling on Sagan's arm.
edit: now even Dimension Data's boss admits his mistake.
edit: now even Dimension Data's boss admits his mistake.
https://twitter.com/RolfAldag/status/882696977733083137
I wonder if ASO will ever admit to their error in judgement.
The call was made way too soon and shortly after the Dimension Data teamleader spoke to them, without hearing other arguments.
I know the French like to 'laissez faire', but we're talking about multi-million investments.
Hope they'll learn to take decisions like these with a bit more care from now on.
The call was made way too soon and shortly after the Dimension Data teamleader spoke to them, without hearing other arguments.
I know the French like to 'laissez faire', but we're talking about multi-million investments.
Hope they'll learn to take decisions like these with a bit more care from now on.
Charles Brandon
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It's not a sprinter's jersey, it's the points jersey. It's up to the organisers how they want to weight it. Sometimes, they give lots of points for flat finishes so that the best pure sprinter wins, like in 2011, when Cav got it. But mostly it's set up so that best all rounder will take it.
Having said that, Sagan is so good all-round that he even wins the jersey when it is set up for sprinters, because he can take points in the pure sprints and win all the intermediates and uphill finishes.
He's obviously not a pure sprinter though.
Having said that, Sagan is so good all-round that he even wins the jersey when it is set up for sprinters, because he can take points in the pure sprints and win all the intermediates and uphill finishes.
He's obviously not a pure sprinter though.
Slight beating of a dead horse, but here's final proof that Sagan didn't elbow Cav. It was Cav's handlebar pulling on Sagan's arm.
edit: now even Dimension Data's boss admits his mistake.
https://twitter.com/RolfAldag/status/882696977733083137
Tour de France is a fucking mess. Last year Froome was running without his bike , this year we have a no sense DQ... What the fuck.
The Last Wizard
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NBC is ridiculous man:/
It is why they were clear enough not to reference the elbow, but the endangerment in general.
We decided to disqualify Peter Sagan from the Tour de France as he endangered some of his colleagues seriously in the final metres of the sprint which happened in Vittel.
In every sprint something happens, but what happens there, it looks like it was on purpose and it almost looks like hitting a person.
Froome was funny. That was pure frustration.
We decided to disqualify Peter Sagan from the Tour de France as he endangered some of his colleagues seriously in the final metres of the sprint which happened in Vittel.
In every sprint something happens, but what happens there, it looks like it was on purpose and it almost looks like hitting a person.
Froome was funny. That was pure frustration.
Sagan might return if CAS appeals Bora-Hansgrohe their case
Apparently the ASO has yet to give an official reply to the team, which filed a complaint prior to the stage 5 start.
Sagan is still ready to ride and might return if the CAS overrules the ASO.
Apparently the ASO has yet to give an official reply to the team, which filed a complaint prior to the stage 5 start.
Sagan is still ready to ride and might return if the CAS overrules the ASO.
bobnowhere
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Wow, that massive umbrella could have caused havoc.
I wonder what ASO and UCI would do with such a decision.
Charles Brandon
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No way he comes back now, that's completely without precedent. I think it is unfair but missing two days of the tour and carrying on would be even worse farce.
Either they were stupid and were scared someone like Gilbert would take the yellow jersey when Sky let everyone know they would not defend the jersey. Or they were very smart and forced Sky to keep the yellow jersey so Froome loses a lot of recuperation time each day by going for the mandated extra stuff.
TarpitCarnivore
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They were leading the train up the climb
chicken_pasta
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Going slightly off topic, Claudia Cretti, a cyclist for the women's team Valcar - PBM had a terrible crash during today's Giro Rosa stage. She was going over 90 km/h on a descent and crashed hitting her head. She's apparently in rough shape. Cycling is a dangerous sport, lads.
chicken_pasta
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Sagan </3
Haha amazing.
Up for another snore of a stage today.
They really did their best to get viewers hooked in the first week :/
chicken_pasta
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When are we having another mountain stage?
bobnowhere
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Big crosswinds apparently coming soon, Robbie McEwan is positively giddy with excitement.
TarpitCarnivore
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I wonder if the tour will penalize that very clear shoulder bump
TarpitCarnivore
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I really love a big long and wide stretch of road to allow for trains to build and battle. It's such a fun thing to watch.
That said: there was a lot of build up to a very straight forward finish in terms of no behind the pack surge. Though I have to wonder if part o the plan here was for the trains to completely push and blow up other teams. No idea why FDJ led so heavy there only for Demare to not have a shot at the finish.
That said: there was a lot of build up to a very straight forward finish in terms of no behind the pack surge. Though I have to wonder if part o the plan here was for the trains to completely push and blow up other teams. No idea why FDJ led so heavy there only for Demare to not have a shot at the finish.
bobnowhere
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Wow, how do you separate that?
Strange sprint, it's almost like the finish came before everyone was expecting it. Everyone went very late after that last little corner.
Strange sprint, it's almost like the finish came before everyone was expecting it. Everyone went very late after that last little corner.
TarpitCarnivore
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That should absolutely be a tie.
His Majesty
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I first thought it was a pretty clear victory for Boasson Hagen but yeah that photo finish is absurdly close.
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