Remove the undecideds and he's at like 49.
Do the Republicans have anything except hurr durr Han Solo? Because if not, yeesh.
Remove the undecideds and he's at like 49.
Hillary supporters are arrogant, sure! Who gives a fuck. Do you have an argument against why this is a remarkable result (which is on topic), or are we going to bring all the political neophytes back to re-litigate why their savior didn't win for the billionth time?
You'd love that, wouldn't you?
"Remarkable" just feels like a bit of a stretch, doesn't it? Once the GOP is rid of the massive tumor dangling from their necks, this is all going to regress back to the norm. Maybe I'm just too cynical about this result, being a liberal about two hours south of this district, but I don't see anyone who isn't way inside the baseball looking at this as anything other than an (R) win. Those people don't write the narrative.
You'd love that, wouldn't you?
"Remarkable" just feels like a bit of a stretch, doesn't it? Once the GOP is rid of the massive tumor dangling from their necks, this is all going to regress back to the norm. Maybe I'm just too cynical about this result, being a liberal about two hours south of this district, but I don't see anyone who isn't way inside the baseball looking at this as anything other than an (R) win. Those people don't write the narrative.
You mean how he went from "Hitler" to "very very unpleasant"? The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction). There's still a lot of time for Trump to warm up to the electorate more. He could fuck it up, of course, but don't take it as a forgone conclusion. Stay vigilant or risk getting caught with your pants down again.Also, people are forgetting that Trump will be fucking up for one more year before mid-terms. Christ look what's happened in under 100 days.
The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction).
I still don't think that is true. Almost all of the outstanding vote left is from Sedgwick county. There are maybe 8k rural votes missing and 20 - 40k votes missing from Wichita. It could get done.
That's an impressive showing for an "impossible" seat. I wonder how much of that is due to anti-Trump sentiment.
You mean how he went from "Hitler" to "very very unpleasant"? The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction). There's still a lot of time for Trump to warm up to the electorate more. He could fuck it up, of course, but don't take it as a forgone conclusion. Stay vigilant or risk getting caught with your pants down again.
That's an impressive showing for an "impossible" seat. I wonder how much of that is due to anti-Trump sentiment.
You mean how he went from "Hitler" to "very very unpleasant"? The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction). There's still a lot of time for Trump to warm up to the electorate more. He could fuck it up, of course, but don't take it as a forgone conclusion. Stay vigilant or risk getting caught with your pants down again.
You mean how he went from "Hitler" to "very very unpleasant"? The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction). There's still a lot of time for Trump to warm up to the electorate more. He could fuck it up, of course, but don't take it as a forgone conclusion. Stay vigilant or risk getting caught with your pants down again.
That's an impressive showing for an "impossible" seat. I wonder how much of that is due to anti-Trump sentiment.
You mean how he went from "Hitler" to "very very unpleasant"? The polls may not reflect it, but attitudes toward him are changing (in the positive direction). There's still a lot of time for Trump to warm up to the electorate more. He could fuck it up, of course, but don't take it as a forgone conclusion. Stay vigilant or risk getting caught with your pants down again.
Estes supported Trump last year and backs the president's policies. He supports the repeal and replacement of the Affordable Care Act, backs funding for a wall on the border with Mexico, opposes funding for Planned Parenthood, and does not believe an independent investigation into Russian hacking of the election is needed.
I don't see many protests anymore. You'd think that Hitler reincarnate would be deserving of more sustained protests. It also seems to be losing steam in social media. Most people are going with the "He's an idiot" story rather than the "he's Hitler" story. Relative to January, anyway. It's just a trend. It could reverse or change.Where are you getting this conclusion from if not the polls?
I don't see many protests anymore. You'd think that Hitler reincarnate would be deserving of more sustained protests. It also seems to be losing steam in social media. Most people are going with the "He's an idiot" story rather than the "he's Hitler" story. Relative to January, anyway. It's just a trend. It could reverse or change.
Full disclosure: I'm not a paid pollster and I'm also high.
I don't see many protests anymore. You'd think that Hitler reincarnate would be deserving of more sustained protests. It also seems to be losing steam in social media. Most people are going with the "He's an idiot" story rather than the "he's Hitler" story. Relative to January, anyway. It's just a trend. It could reverse or change.
Full disclosure: I'm not a paid pollster and I'm also high.
I don't see many protests anymore. You'd think that Hitler reincarnate would be deserving of more sustained protests. It also seems to be losing steam in social media. Most people are going with the "He's an idiot" story rather than the "he's Hitler" story. Relative to January, anyway. It's just a trend. It could reverse or change.
I'm also high.
His approval ratings are down from January and were at all-time lows before the Syria strikes.I don't see many protests anymore. You'd think that Hitler reincarnate would be deserving of more sustained protests. It also seems to be losing steam in social media. Most people are going with the "He's an idiot" story rather than the "he's Hitler" story. Relative to January, anyway. It's just a trend. It could reverse or change.
Full disclosure: I'm not a paid pollster and I'm also high.
The fact that there are so many who changed their status from "afraid" to "annoyed" is a positive trend.I mean it's not Trump at all but Spicer's Hitler moment today just looks shitty for his admin too. People are not necessarily afraid of him anymore, but they are tiring of his antics. Let's just hope they stay that way.
Where is your evidence that attitudes are changing toward him in a positive direction? Because all we have are polls, and they do not show this.
The fact that a few people were positive about him for 24 total hours when he made one speech where he didn't vomit on himself or the fact that for 24 consecutive hours people stopped talking about Russia because he launched a pathetically ineffectual missile attack on Syria?
And these crazy swings in Republican districts are the loudest form of protest >
Okay. I was gonna say...
Here are KS districts in 2016. With results like tonight, that's 2 out of 4 that could be Ds in 2018:
The fact that there are so many who changed their status from "afraid" to "annoyed" is a positive trend.
There aren't as many protests anymore, and news stories don't seem to mention Nazi Germany that much anymore. I still feel like the polls have the same flaw that they had during the election, but I could be misguided on that.
I just don't want y'all to get complacent again. It didn't work out too well last time.
This would be assuming that Dems are willing to fund Berniecrats which is still doubtful.
There aren't as many protests anymore, and news stories don't seem to mention Nazi Germany that much anymore. I still feel like the polls have the same flaw that they had during the election, but I could be misguided on that.
I just don't want y'all to get complacent again. It didn't work out too well last time.
Seems the DNC brushed this one off? I wonder what the impact would have been if we poured some campaign dollars out there
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/851972265252188160
This would be assuming that Dems are willing to fund Berniecrats which is still doubtful.
The fact that there are so many who changed their status from "afraid" to "annoyed" is a positive trend.
There aren't as many protests anymore, and news stories don't seem to mention Nazi Germany that much anymore. I still feel like the polls have the same flaw that they had during the election, but I could be misguided on that.
I just don't want y'all to get complacent again. It didn't work out too well last time.
This would be assuming that Dems are willing to fund Berniecrats which is still doubtful.
gdi it's hard to argue the other side when you give me hilarious mental imagesno, clearly this election just shows the latte-sipping liberals in coastal Wichita aren't enough and were shown up by Real America
I mean it is a serious concern if you want Berniecrats and the DCCC is seemingly uninterested in funding them while giving all its attention to Ossoffoh dear god
*slams my head repeatedly into wall*
This would be assuming that Dems are willing to fund Berniecrats which is still doubtful.
I mean it is a serious concern if you want Berniecrats and the DCCC is seemingly uninterested in funding them while giving all its attention to Ossoff
maybe after Thompson's success they'll course correct and try to help Quist
but I understand the concern
Xe4 said:Not that i think a Berniecrat should run an election in Kansas, but if they make it to the general, I have no doubt the DCCC will support them.
I commend your enthusiasm and fervor but I sometimes worry you're too passionate for your own good.This election has radicalized me basically though so everyone's mileage may vary.
gdi it's hard to argue the other side when you give me hilarious mental images
those goddamn Wichitan elites won't be bossing real Kansans around anymore
I mean it is a serious concern if you want Berniecrats and the DCCC is seemingly uninterested in funding them while giving all its attention to Ossoff
maybe after Thompson's success they'll course correct and try to help Quist
but I understand the concern
maybe after Thompson's success they'll course correct and try to help Quist
Democrats would take "Berniecrats" every day of the week over even moderate Republicans. Not that i think a Berniecrat should run an election in Kansas, but if they make it to the general, I have no doubt the DCCC will support them.
Well Thompson just did, and he got 0 dollars from the DCCC
Well Thompson just did, and he got 0 dollars from the DCCC
I commend your enthusiasm and fervor but I sometimes worry you're too passionate for your own good.
That's all based on message board posts though so I have no real idea. I'm sure you know yourself best...
This would be assuming that Dems are willing to fund Berniecrats which is still doubtful.
I don't think it's a binary proposition between "give absolutely zero help" and "fly Pelosi in to do rallies." The campaign asked for money a couple weeks ago and were turned down (by the state party but still). I recognize the importance of the victory tonight while also understanding the importance of looking at it and seeing what could've been done better.Maybe it was for the best not to nationalize a race in a district where the Democratic Party label is toxic?
I know, no two ways about it. I'm genuinely radicalized... I am furious at America and Republicans. One of my life's goals now is to live long enough to see them destroyed, and diminished as a relevant factor in American politics. Before I thought Republicans were a necessary component of this country, still worth saving. After seeing how they treated Obama, how they stole Garland's seat, how they supported this monster Trump... I want nothing but to see them eviscerated. Republicans are more dangerous to Americans than ISIS.
If you think my posts here are passionate though, hoooo boy. Don't read my twitter timeline lol
I don't think it's a binary proposition between "give absolutely zero help" and "fly Pelosi in to do rallies." The campaign asked for money a couple weeks ago and were turned down (by the state party but still). I recognize the importance of the victory tonight while also understanding the importance of looking at it and seeing what could've been done better.
I think Trump getting elected was a wake-up call for a few of us. I'm not American but follow each and every vote there, and am basically checking the French election polls and current Canadian conservative party vote daily - I'm not even eligible to vote in any one of the three.
I probably have an unhealthy obsession
Probably the best thing to do would have been to funnel money to the state party and let them do the work. But the Kansas Democratic Party doesn't seem too great, so meh. Don't think anyone expected this race to be as close as it was. If it was R+7 or something it might have been different.
Just make sure we never hear about you bombing an RNC fundraiser or somethinI know, no two ways about it. I'm genuinely radicalized... I am furious at America and Republicans. One of my life's goals now is to live long enough to see them destroyed, and diminished as a relevant factor in American politics. Before I thought Republicans were a necessary component of this country, still worth saving. After seeing how they treated Obama, how they stole Garland's seat, how they supported this monster Trump... I want nothing but to see them eviscerated. Republicans are more dangerous to Americans than ISIS.
If you think my posts here are passionate though, hoooo boy. Don't read my twitter timeline lol
The DCCC's money isn't an unlimited resource, especially this close to the last election. They have to prioritize their funds, and there are more likely pickups coming up.I don't think it's a binary proposition between "give absolutely zero help" and "fly Pelosi in to do rallies." The campaign asked for money a couple weeks ago and were turned down (by the state party but still). I recognize the importance of the victory tonight while also understanding the importance of looking at it and seeing what could've been done better.
I mean I've always followed politics obsessively, (here is a thread about the 2006 mid-terms I made on neoGAF. Memories! Simpler times...) but with Trump the rules have changed. To me this is a struggle for the soul of this country now, and I'm willing to accept any level of dirty politics to wrestle power away from Republicans. I am done trying to play by the rules and just accept them winning after shitting on every traditional political convention.
You folks will be arguing this stupid ass primary anger till we're all dead.
Just make sure we never hear about you bombing an RNC fundraiser or somethin
Totally. "Hitler" makes you sound hysterical to the average American voter despite it's alarming accuracy.Honestly, "he's an idiot" rather than "he's Hitler" is more damaging electorally.
Do the Republicans have anything except hurr durr Han Solo? Because if not, yeesh.
Because he ran in a deep red district which he lost by 7 points. No ammount of money is going to win you 7 points. And that was *beating* people's projections of the race. It wasn't cause he was a "Berniecrat".Well Thompson just did, and he got 0 dollars from the DCCC