andythinkpad
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Look like I will be ironically voting for Donald Trump in general and see the world burn.
Not purely emotional at all.
Just want the establishment politics to be changed.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a multi page derail like the last time I defended my opinions...
I understand your sense of disappointment if Hillary is nominated and the status quo remains.Not purely emotional at all.
Just want the establishment politics to be changed.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a multi page derail like the last time I defended my opinions...
Trump only gets my vote if Hillary is at the helm for the Democrats.
So trump over Hillary is your logical conclusion when trying to end 'establishment politics'? The man who literally claimed to be the establishment with his hands in official's pockets.
Again, how does any of this manifest in his policies, though?The guy knows how it works. He has bought politicians and used it for personal gain.
He also says and demonstrates how he is rich enough he doesn't care to be a poster-boy for establishment. The guy has the GoP by the balls.
You can tell this by the media (who have major monetary interest in politics) attack him constantly. He is playing them like a fiddle to expose how the establishment machine operates.
He outlines a lot of this in his book "The Art of the Deal".
I understand your sense of disappointment if Hillary is nominated and the status quo remains.
What I don't understand is why you think Trump will upend that status quo.
Sure, he doesn't need Super PACs or private donors to fund his campaign, but nothing he's proposed suggests his politics are any different from establishment figures like Rubio and Bush.
The decision then becomes easy. One will change how things work, one will keep everything the same.
May be an uncomfortable vote for some. But I can see a lot of disenfranchised democrats going to the Trump camp.
The guy knows how it works. He has bought politicians and used it for personal gain.
He also says and demonstrates how he is rich enough he doesn't care to be a poster-boy for establishment. The guy has the GoP by the balls.
You can tell this by the media (who have major monetary interest in politics) attack him constantly. He is playing them like a fiddle to expose how the establishment machine operates.
He outlines a lot of this in his book "The Art of the Deal".
Again, how does any of this manifest in his policies, though?
It seems you're more enchanted by his cult of personality than by the reality of his actual proposals.
Not purely emotional at all.
Just want the establishment politics to be changed.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a multi page derail like the last time I defended my opinions...
Again, how does any of this manifest in his policies, though?
It seems you're more enchanted by his cult of personality than by the reality of his actual proposals.
The guy knows how it works. He has bought politicians and used it for personal gain.
Trumps politics are significantly different from the republican establishment. Why do you think they've been trying so hard to prop up one of their candidates?
As a brown person with a Muslim name, fuck you. This kind of stupid makes me nervous that he could actually win.
He doesn't have any outlined policies strictly combatting establishment politics. This is one of the reasons why Bernie would get my vote first. Bernie actually has a plan.
Trump is the only other candidate who is likely to develop a plan to change establishment politics. The others on both sides have no chance at changing anything in regards to weakening establishment politics.
I think you're missing that this makes him the establishment. He isn't going to change anything, because he was one of the ones that put the current system in place.
He doesn't have any outlined policies strictly combatting establishment politics. This is one of the reasons why Bernie would get my vote first. Bernie actually has a plan.
Trump is the only other candidate who is likely to develop a plan to change establishment politics. The others on both sides have no chance at changing anything in regards to weakening establishment politics.
EDIT: Looks like my fear came true. I'm bowing out of this thread as I really don't want another 5+ page derail due to the dogpile.
Enjoy the fun leading up to Primaries! Truly is shaping up to be an exciting year.
EDIT: Looks like my fear came true. I'm bowing out of this thread as I really don't want another 5+ page derail due to the dogpile.
Enjoy the fun leading up to Primaries! Truly is shaping up to be an exciting year.
Yup. It's like saying "I don't like lobbyists influencing politicians, so I'll vote for for the lobbyists.
If you're going to bow out then at least do it by admitting you're wrong rather than admitting you can't reasonably defend your position.
What do people really mean when they talk about "establishment politics"? In what kind of bizarro world are politicians anti-establishment?
there's almost nothing else that says you have absolutely fuck-all knowledge of the candidates or what they say/represent than saying your first choice is sanders but your second is trump over clinton
literally ignoring every single word they have spoken, every promise they've made, their political histories, their finances, everything
I Think it's more people are so frustrated that they would rather throw a wrench in the system than keep the status quo.
Dont corner a rat.
What do people really mean when they talk about "establishment politics"? In what kind of bizarro world are politicians anti-establishment?
Trump isn't a wrench, he's the id of the Republican Party. The GOP isn't against his policies or his way of doing things, they are against his optics and persona.
Why admit my opinion is wrong when it simply isn't true?
I would argue it is literally impossible to have a wrong opinion as that would invalidate what an opinion truly is.
If people here are truly having this much difficulty with my opinions regarding this round of POTUS elections then reference this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173921
(you were even in on the dogpile, so I'm sure you know my reasoning)
The multi page dogpile lays things out pretty well.
Not going to get this thread derailed saying the same things.
Don't rag on Diablos rationale for voting Trump (if it comes to that). I'm voting for Trump because he has a great set of hair.
honestly if his hair ran as vp i would consider a vote
Straight up. Anyone who votes for Trump is a fucking asshole. You know damn well the kind of people his message he attracts, even if he's faking it.
That people makes decisions like this using emotion rather than logic and reason is the fundamental flaw in the process. It's why a true democracy can never work.
The reason is that he has at least said he will not be influenced.
He has also at least acknowledged the issues. That the system is broken.
I have no idea that he has plans to do anything but he acknowledges tbe problem while others do not to the same extent.
While I disagree, i understand why people would lean Trump over Hillary even if they are generally liberal. It comes down to trust. Trump has said, yeah i bribed Hillary. Hillary meanwhile takes hundred thousand dollar payments to her personal wealth from Wall Street.
Like it or not, Trump is running a populist campaign. If the product is not appealing, dont blame the consumer. Make a better product.
Hillary is better than trump on 90 percent of the issues, but the biggest issue for many Americans including myself is it issue of money in politics.
nah dude, establishment politics are so tired that it's worth supporting racism and misogyny!
Look like I will be ironically voting for Donald Trump in general and see the world burn.
Same if its Hilary. Give him one term to fuck shit up hard and hopefully we can get someone better for the Dems in 2020.
Same if its Hilary. Give him one term to fuck shit up hard and hopefully we can get someone better for the Dems in 2020.
Why admit my opinion is wrong when it simply isn't true?
I would argue it is literally impossible to have a wrong opinion as that would invalidate what an opinion truly is.
there's almost nothing else that says you have absolutely fuck-all knowledge of the candidates or what they say/represent than saying your first choice is sanders but your second is trump over clinton
literally ignoring every single word they have spoken, every promise they've made, their political histories, their finances, everything
Because the damage caused by a catastrophically terrible president is only contained to their term and couldn't possibly have irreversible ripple effects for decades.
Accelerationism is such a smart idea for smart people
Because the damage caused by a catastrophically terrible president is only contained to their term and couldn't possibly have irreversible ripple effects for decades.
Accelerationism is such a smart idea for smart people