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NBC poll: Trump continues to lead the GOP field after 1st debate

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Downhome

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I think Trump is obviously getting away with, and will continue to get away with, a hell of a lot more than any other politician. People know who he is, he is and has been popular for many years now. People know that he is a huge showman, and a lot of what he says is for the headlines, that's all.

So people are listening to what he says, and they are picking and choosing what they want to believe and grab hold of. He says something crazy, and some people just go "oh, that's just Trump Trumpin', he doesn't mean anything by it or even believe it" and they chuckle and move on and continue to love him more.

Like the above quote about violent games, that doesn't mean anything and no one will take it as anything more than Trump Trumpin'.

If any other politician said it, say if Hillary or Rubio came out and said the same thing, then people would take it far more serious.

I have no clue what he would have to do for people to really accept a screwup or a crazy idea as being legit, and not just him doing what he has done for years.

Does any of this make sense? haha
 

Jimrpg

Member
Trump has been attacking Rand Paul on Twitter. He attacks most of the candidates and Hillary of course.

Yet he just praised Ted Cruz on Twitter saying he had a very good debate and did much better than Rand Paul. Rand seems to be his favorite target today.

Trump's campaign has been pretty impressive to watch so far from a strategic point of view.

1. Rand Paul has been pretty unpopular and Trump knows he can pick up more voters that don't like Paul. He may piss off Paul's voters, but that's only a small percentage. He stands to gain a lot more voters.

2. While the other politicians debate issues, Trump is creating headlines. He's making himself as outspoken as possible and he's targeting other politicians. People want someone to go and bat for them, and Trump is doing a lot more attacking than the other politicians who all seem to scratch each other's backs. I don't think he has a plan to tackle anything, but he's hitting all the issues people are unhappy about.

3. All these headlines are creating twitter stories, vines, youtube clips. Trump is killing it in social media. Even the Fox News debate on youtube title is GOP debate featuring Trump.

The real interesting part will be how will Trump win over women voters, because he's starting from a long way back there.
 

Oddduck

Member
I think Trump is obviously getting away with, and will continue to get away with, a hell of a lot more than any other politician. People know who he is, he is and has been popular for many years now. People know that he is a huge showman, and a lot of what he says is for the headlines, that's all.

So people are listening to what he says, and they are picking and choosing what they want to believe and grab hold of. He says something crazy, and some people just go "oh, that's just Trump Trumpin', he doesn't mean anything by it or even believe it" and they chuckle and move on and continue to love him more.

Like the above quote about violent games, that doesn't mean anything and no one will take it as anything more than Trump Trumpin'.

If any other politician said it, say if Hillary or Rubio came out and said the same thing, then people would take it far more serious.

I have no clue what he would have to do for people to really accept a screwup or a crazy idea as being legit, and not just him doing what he has done for years.

Does any of this make sense? haha

Oh yeah, it absolutely makes sense.

People view Donald Trump as a cartoon character, so when he says crazy shit, people just brush it off as Trump being Trump.
 

shrek

Banned
So do you guys think Trump actually wants to be president and is in it to win it, or is his objective to poison the GOP and bail?
 

Glass Joe

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Trump has been attacking Rand Paul on Twitter. He attacks most of the candidates and Hillary of course.

Yet he just praised Ted Cruz on Twitter saying he had a very good debate and did much better than Rand Paul. Rand seems to be his favorite target today.

He's attacking Rand Paul? I wonder if he was provoked?

OH: https://twitter.com/RandPaul

Paul tweeted about Trump being a "fake conservative" 8 times today. He certainly wants the attention the Trump Train brings, so I'm sure he's happy he got a response.
 

VRMN

Member
So do you guys think Trump actually wants to be president and is in it to win it, or is his objective to poison the GOP and bail?

He's been flirting with a White House run for 15 years now; I don't see why he would be biding his time to pick his spot if he wasn't choosing it now because he thinks -- however deluded those thoughts are -- that he can win. Trump is driven by his ego; he wouldn't go into a losing venture knowing it to be such.

As to why he doesn't see that it's a losing venture...I have to think he sees himself as anti-establishment at a time when people are increasingly sick of the establishment, particularly on the Republican side. He's resonating with those people and I think he's smart enough to realize that being unfiltered and inflammatory is what those people like about him.

That he's gained enough traction that he's actually investing in a real campaign apparatus is what has convinced me he's for real about this. Like he was putting out feelers, and he's being on top of the polls for a month now has convinced him it's worth putting real money into.
 
So do you guys think Donald "My net worth is many, many, many times Mitt Romney" Trump actually wants to be president and is in it to win it, or is his objective to poison the GOP and bail?

Who the heck knows. I'm not sure Trump even knows.

All I know is that this whole farce is hilarious.
 

Downhome

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So do you guys think Trump actually wants to be president and is in it to win it, or is his objective to poison the GOP and bail?

I think he sincerely wants it, but can't resist being his normal wacky self (but it's working so far, so what do I know).

Here he is on Oprah way back in 1988 talking about running for President. To give him credit, he has seemed consistent on this concept. This was posted by the OWN official YT, so she wanted this video out there to be seen for sure...

https://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI
 
You're arguing that nothing has changed re: our involvement in Iraq since 2007 when I posted numbers showing that this is blatantly untrue. We still have a presence there, yes, mostly to put out fires that we started and to put down a terrorist group we empowered when we actually went to war against the people of Iraq.

Factually, if John McCain had been elected, we'd still have 150k plus troops over there today. He guaranteed it. Both sides have never been the same.
Obama has not ended the war in Iraq. When South Vietnam was falling in 1974 and 1975 President Ford could have redeployed troops and air power to save face like Obama has done in Iraq, he didn't and it was undoubtedly the right move. Obama has greatly expanded drone strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen from what the Bush administration was conducting. The results you can see on the front pages of every newspaper, how are the security situations in all of those nations? Bad and getting worse. Obama destroyed the "legitimate"' government of Libya unleashing a tidal wave of jihadist fighters through North Africa and Syria. If Obama had gotten his way last year he would have attacked Assad directly putting us on both sides of the Syrian Civil War, genius. Obama is just as bad as Bush, worse really because actions that would have been criticized by the left under Bush are quietly forgotten or even justified and defended by Democrtas. There is little to no difference between Republican and Democrats on reckless foreign interventions: they both support it and expand it year after year even though it is shown not only not to work but to be counterproductive as Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Lybia have recently show. There is no difference between the two parties and Hillary Clinton is even more bellicose than Obama. As for Iran sure Obama hasn't invaded but neither did Bush in eight years, so what's the difference?
 

Konka

Banned
Obama has not ended the war in Iraq. When South Vietnam was falling in 1974 and 1975 President Ford could have redeployed troops and air power to save face like Obama has done in Iraq, he didn't and it was undoubtedly the right move. Obama has greatly expanded drone strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen from what the Bush administration was conducting. The results you can see on the front pages of every newspaper, how are the security situations in all of those nations? Bad and getting worse. Obama destroyed the "legitimate"' government of Libya unleashing a tidal wave of jihadist fighters through North Africa and Syria. If Obama had gotten his way last year he would have attacked Assad directly putting us on both sides of the Syrian Civil War, genius. Obama is just as bad as Bush, worse really because actions that would have been criticized by the left under Bush are quietly forgotten or even justified and defended by Democrtas. There is little to no difference between Republican and Democrats on reckless foreign interventions: they both support it and expand it year after year even though it is shown not only not to work but to be counterproductive as Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Lybia have recently show. There is no difference between the two parties and Hillary Clinton is even more bellicose than Obama. As for Iran sure Obama hasn't invaded but neither did Bush in eight years, so what's the difference?

And that is what we call an unreadable wall of text.
 

Kibbles

Member
I think he sincerely wants it, but can't resist being his normal wacky self (but it's working so far, so what do I know).

Here he is on Oprah way back in 1988 talking about running for President. To give him credit, he has seemed consistent on this concept. This was posted by the OWN official YT, so she wanted this video out there to be seen for sure...

https://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI
Nice vid, thanks for sharing
 
This is how much anyone cares about these constant email controversies. Or this much. Let's not forget Sarah

Seriously, this comes up every election. Nobody cares. Hypothetical but non-real classified information exchanged is not going to change that. Ironically, whenever government emails from official servers are needed they can't be found. The GOP will get as far with this as they will with Benghazi. Sanders supporters are already living in a fantasy land. If they want to believe something as esoteric as email servers will bring down Clinton, more power to them.

Some of the Republicans I know are convinced that Hillary will be in federal prison or at the very least facing criminal prosecution by the election. They're also convinced that the only reason this won't happen or hasn't happened already is a corrupt Justice Department under Obama.
 

Polari

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Some of the Republicans I know are convinced that Hillary will be in federal prison or at the very least facing criminal prosecution by the election. They're also convinced that the only reason this won't happen or hasn't happened already is a corrupt Justice Department under Obama.

What she did was a pretty egregious breach of protocol and potentially national security. As someone that works in government if I email sensitive documents to a personal email address I risk losing my job.
 
What she did was a pretty egregious breach of protocol and potentially national security. As someone that works in government if I email sensitive documents to a personal email address I risk losing my job.

Wasn't it standard practice before they changed protocol. Powell did it for instance.
 

chadskin

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Some interesting answers why Redditors want Trump to become President: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3gd3hh/serious_redditors_who_want_trump_to_become/
It's marked as 'serious', i.e. joke posts will get removed.
No matter how many people call him an idiot, he is a brilliant businessman. He understands the ins and outs of all kinds of laws governing money, and that, at the end of the day, is the thing that most directly affects the average American that the government does.

He's not outrageously radical on anything, and actually has some pretty progressive ideas regarding healthcare, even though he thinks Obamacare is bad.
Plus, he's really funny, but at the same time, commands respect. Okay, sure the liberal media makes fun of his hair and what he says, but I guarantee you Vladimir Putin would hold President Trump in a higher regard than President Bernie, that's for damn sure.
I'd like Trump to be President. I'm going to skip over why I think he has the best shot out of the rest of the Republicans, because this is more about why I want him in the office, rather than why I think he can get there.

First of all, he is a billionaire. He's said in no uncertain terms that he's willing to finance his campaign. In his own words, this makes him resistant, if not immune, to donor and lobbyist influence. That's more than any other candidate currently running, on either side of the political aisle can say. I mean, if you don't think that Clinton is going to be paying back lots of favors the instant she gets in the white house, you're crazed. He's also pointed out that he has been on the other side of this corrupt system, the side of the businessman that buys politicians. And he's pointed out that that exact thing is what is wrong with this country. Someone that is too rich to care or need to operate in that system is probably one of the only people that will actually change it.

On another note, we are in serious need of some decent trade deals. Like he's said multiple times, we're losing to China, losing to Japan, losing to Mexico. Donald Trump wrote the all time best selling business novel, the art of the deal. That's the kind of person that I want at the negotiating table when it comes to trade deals. He's known to leaders and businessmen worldwide, and what's more is that he's respected by them. He's built an insanely successful company and knows what it takes to create real jobs. The left likes to talk about jobs programs, but those are fake jobs...Government jobs. That's just a band-aid. If you want long term economic growth, it means private sector jobs.

Lastly, I'm socially liberal and an Atheist. So when I hear the other candidates get stuck on God, and talk about how important the issues of abortion and gay marriage are to them, I lose interest pretty quick. Trump very rarely talks about social issues or God. He's focused on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy. Those are the things that are the most important right now.

Also he's damn entertaining. I want him to stay in as long as possible, because he makes it so interesting. I mean, really? "only Rosie O'Donnel". Who else says that shit? It's gold.
Simply because he cannot be bought like the rest of the candidates. I've always voted replublican simply because that is the party that tends to have the most idea that align with my own.

Donald Trump is not a pussy, says what he means, and means what he says. We honestly need a ruthless mother fucker like him in office right now. He will tear shit down and it will give us a great opportunity to really unfuck some of the shit that is going on in there right now.

Most politicians try to hide the fact that they are businessmen, DT is the exact opposite.
If not Trump, then I will really hope to see Dr. Ben Carson. I fucking love that guy.
I'll get downvotes like a mother fucker because I am literally everything Reddit hates. However, that's OK.
I genuinely believe Donald Trump cares about America. He isn't a career politician like the rest of the lot and wants to see America become great again. Sure he makes these offensive comments, but do they really matter in the long run? We focus on small issues and he said/she said instead of handling the huge problems of the debt crisis, America's image abroad, and illegal immigration. He says what he truly believs. Every single other candidate(with perhaps the exception of Bernie Sanders) just dodges questions, don't say what they believe, and areafraid to go against the flow. He made valid points in the Republican debate. This country spends too much time being politically correct. Our leaders are inept. We as a country are too entitled. Trump may not be the perfect candidate, but I like what he embodies.
He's the only semi-nationalist politician in the US. Nationalism must grow in every western nation if we are to survive this century.

The Republicans and other greedy capitalists want open borders for cheap labor, while the leftists want open borders due to their white guilt and hatred of western civilization. The leftists who hold power want open borders to secure future votes

Already in Europe multicult and immigration is considered a failure. Many in North America feel the same way, but due to leftist suppression, and years of pro-multicult indoctrination, these people are unable to state their true feelings regarding immigration. Years from now, we will consider leftist immigration and cultural policies to be a great mistake.
While Donald isn't a great politician and he's only making this run for attention, until America gets a dedicated nationalist party, he is the least harmful option.

Can't slump the Trump
 
You don't have to agree with him but he is not afraid to speak his mind. I have wondered for years why we let other countries dictate how and what we do and yet we are supposed to be the best country in the world.

I dont htink Trump is racist or sexist, but I do believe he has a knack for pissing people off. If nothing else, you have to say he is making or will make this election fun.
 

marrec

Banned
You don't have to agree with him but he is not afraid to speak his mind. I have wondered for years why we let other countries dictate how and what we do and yet we are supposed to be the best country in the world.

I dont htink Trump is racist or sexist, but I do believe he has a knack for pissing people off. If nothing else, you have to say he is making or will make this election fun.

Why not? When pressed on details about his seemingly racist and sexist sound bites, he always doubles down.

Also, I really hate that we've gotten to the point in America where we treat the presidential election as entertainment TV. Trump is such a shit-show...
 

Jackpot

Banned
First of all, he is a billionaire. He's said in no uncertain terms that he's willing to finance his campaign. In his own words, this makes him resistant, if not immune, to donor and lobbyist influence.

Never understood this argument. Real world has shown billionaires to do lots of shady shit to add a few extra million to their bottom line.
 

Konka

Banned
Never understood this argument. Real world has shown billionaires to do lots of shady shit to add a few extra million to their bottom line.

He's openly burning bridges that is costing him millions. He is just looking add to his ego.
 
They make Donald Trump sound so appealing compared to the rest of the republican candidates. Still, like most people, they don't really know what a president does (going around making deals one on one haha) or how the government can create jobs (it's Romney's talking point all over again even though it's so easy to empirically prove).
 

Into

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The average american does not give a shit about what he said on a trashy reality show, or what was said on The View, or Twatter or whatever.

Hence why the carefully orchestrated attacks backfired. Trump went through that "war on women" idiocy like Superman.

Diminishing returns, you cannot throw "bigot" around on everyone and everything under the sun and expect it to stick or be taken all that seriously anymore.

I find Trump unlikeable, i know much of it is an act but he does not seem like the sort of person you would want to be around. Yet compared to what he is facing, he is the good guy. So what does that really say about everyone else?
 

Guess Who

Banned
Some interesting answers why Redditors want Trump to become President: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3gd3hh/serious_redditors_who_want_trump_to_become/
It's marked as 'serious', i.e. joke posts will get removed.

I guarantee you Vladimir Putin would hold President Trump in a higher regard than President Bernie, that's for damn sure.

I will never understand why a certain segment of America thinks Vladimir Putin is someone any American politician should desire the respect of.
 

marrec

Banned
The average american does not give a shit about what he said on a trashy reality show, or what was said on The View, or Twatter or whatever.

Hence why the carefully orchestrated attacks backfired. Trump went through that "war on women" idiocy like Superman.

Diminishing returns, you cannot throw "bigot" around on everyone and everything under the sun and expect it to stick or be taken all that seriously anymore.

Hmm...

So you support his blatant misogyny and racism? The average America at this point literally just seems to care about who is the most entertaining, not who is the most qualified to run the country.

Trump is generating headlines because American's find overt racism and sexism entertaining I guess.
 
You don't have to agree with him but he is not afraid to speak his mind. I have wondered for years why we let other countries dictate how and what we do and yet we are supposed to be the best country in the world.

I dont htink Trump is racist or sexist, but I do believe he has a knack for pissing people off. If nothing else, you have to say he is making or will make this election fun.

This sounds like the sort of thing a child would wonder about. "How come adults got to do stuff they don't like when they big"
 
You don't have to agree with him but he is not afraid to speak his mind. I have wondered for years why we let other countries dictate how and what we do and yet we are supposed to be the best country in the world.

I dont htink Trump is racist or sexist, but I do believe he has a knack for pissing people off. If nothing else, you have to say he is making or will make this election fun.

This about a man who has said that laziness is a trait in black people.
 

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aeolist

Banned
asking why the USA doesn't literally control every single part of the world is the most astonishingly naïve thing i've read in a while
 

pa22word

Member
Hmm...

So you support his blatant misogyny and racism? The average America at this point literally just seems to care about who is the most entertaining, not who is the most qualified to run the country.

Trump is generating headlines because American's find overt racism and sexism entertaining I guess.

Not really his argument. His argument is that overuse of labeling has watered down the criticism leveled on trump. While I may find that argument a little flawed, you have to understand that trump is going for the far right primary crowd atm. This is the group of people who watch Fox News tell them that people are too over sensitive to that ahit all day, and who spout the same shit that trump does, but just watered down enough to get by. Trumps game is to pull the sheet down and just say what's at the core of what Fox News has been peddling to these people for years now. Thus success at the moment, and why he will likely be slaughtered in the generals.
 

marrec

Banned
Not really his argument. His argument is that overuse of labeling has watered down the criticism leveled on trump. While I may find that argument a little flawed, you have to understand that trump is going for the far right primary crowd atm. This is the group of people who watch Fox News tell them that people are too over sensitive to that ahit all day, and who spout the same shit that trump does, but just watered down enough to get by. Trumps game is to pull the sheet down and just say what's at the core of what Fox News has been peddling to these people for years now. Thus success at the moment, and why he will likely be slaughtered in the generals.

I understood, I just wanted to delve deeper. I get what Trump is doing, but it seems some moderates and even a few leftists are entertained by his antics which is troubling for me.

I don't think Trump is going to make it out of the Primaries to be perfectly honest... but he is like a magnet, drawing out the latent support of sexism and racism in seemingly normal people.
 
I understood, I just wanted to delve deeper. I get what Trump is doing, but it seems some moderates and even a few leftists are entertained by his antics which is troubling for me.

I don't think Trump is going to make it out of the Primaries to be perfectly honest... but he is like a magnet, drawing out the latent support of sexism and racism in seemingly normal people.

I think you can find him entertaining for how is destroying the Republican Party right now and still appreciate how horrible he is.
 

Into

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Walker in all polls has gone down, he came across poorly and did not exude any presidential vibe. Even Perry, Romney and Santorum had that going for them.

Trump is a emo teenager who paints his nails black and writes shitty poetry, the more his parents tell him to clean up and straighten out, the more emo he becomes. Thus the parents (media) need to start praising him, and telling him how great he is. Maybe he will lose his edge then and look like all the rest.

Still sad that Rubio did not rise all that much, thought he did really well.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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Apparently, Trump just got a big endorsement.

My twitter game on sheet, doe.

Dan Scavino ‏@DanScavino 12h
"Do not underestimate the power of @realDonaldTrump • he will sweep down & get that GOP nomination!" @OMAROSA on @CNN w/ @DonLemon ����
 

aeolist

Banned
I understood, I just wanted to delve deeper. I get what Trump is doing, but it seems some moderates and even a few leftists are entertained by his antics which is troubling for me.

I don't think Trump is going to make it out of the Primaries to be perfectly honest... but he is like a magnet, drawing out the latent support of sexism and racism in seemingly normal people.

lots of people, GOP and otherwise, think that it's only really racism if you say nigger or spic or whatever. you see this phenomenon in things like hulk hogan's apology, where he wasn't saying he regretted his views only that he used specific language to express them. similarly i think people only believe someone is sexist if they use the word cunt or openly say something like "i hate women".

trump, therefore, isn't racist or sexist because he's not using those exact words.
 

Interfectum

Member
lots of people, GOP and otherwise, think that it's only really racism if you say nigger or spic or whatever. you see this phenomenon in things like hulk hogan's apology, where he wasn't saying he regretted his views only that he used specific language to express them. similarly i think people only believe someone is sexist if they use the word cunt or openly say something like "i hate women".

trump, therefore, isn't racist or sexist because he's not using those exact words.

Yeah you see this all the time on social media like Facebook. "Savages" "Animals" When you call them out the response usually is "what, I didn't say the n-word. I can't say savages now? First amendment??????"
 

jay

Member
Never understood this argument. Real world has shown billionaires to do lots of shady shit to add a few extra million to their bottom line.

You don't understand why someone who has based their whole existence on acquiring more money would be impervious to being bought?
 

params7

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In the end, he might exploit the system further or he might not, but he's been bit more honest than others so far in speaking about the exploitations in the system, even admitting he used it for his own good at the debates. People admire that stuff and it does add Trump's quality.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
I understood, I just wanted to delve deeper. I get what Trump is doing, but it seems some moderates and even a few leftists are entertained by his antics which is troubling for me.

I don't think Trump is going to make it out of the Primaries to be perfectly honest... but he is like a magnet, drawing out the latent support of sexism and racism in seemingly normal people.
My take on it is that there's nothing distinctly notable about his sexism or racism since he seems to be an equal opportunity asshole who is completely comfortable in his own skin on those counts. He knows he's sexist, he knows he's racist and he knows he's an asshole. Telling him as much isn't really any strike against him. I'm less amused by the basic nature of his antics than I am by the turmoil they seem to be causing among the conservative left.
 

joedan

Member
lots of people, GOP and otherwise, think that it's only really racism if you say nigger or spic or whatever. you see this phenomenon in things like hulk hogan's apology, where he wasn't saying he regretted his views only that he used specific language to express them. similarly i think people only believe someone is sexist if they use the word cunt or openly say something like "i hate women".

trump, therefore, isn't racist or sexist because he's not using those exact words.

On the other end of the spectrum you have people who label any and everything racist, mysoginist, bigoted, etc.
 
I think you can find him entertaining for how is destroying the Republican Party right now and still appreciate how horrible he is.
This is my feeling. This train wreck is amazing.

GOP's will deserves to be broken. And Trump seems like just the man to do it.

I'll quickly turn to depression and other things if he actually presents a real challenge in the general.
 
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