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NBC poll: Trump continues to lead the GOP field after 1st debate

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Suikoguy

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So, if Trump gained after the first debate. To me that indicates that Fox News viewers, while they may not trust the "liberal media" they apparently don't trust Fox News much either.

They created a very large group of monsters.
 
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Suikoguy said:
So, if Trump gained after the first debate. To me that indicates that Fox News viewers, while they may not trust the "liberal media" they apparently don't trust Fox News much either.

They created a very large group of monsters.
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By bringing up his reality show and The View, it clearly indicated that they had a team of people going through probably every episode of The Apprentice to find anything they can fuck him on.

Just the idea that people sat around, and took notes around a reality TV show to discredit someone who wants to lead the nation is sad. People are worried about the economy, immigration, jobs, Iran etc. And here are these clowns watching The Apprentice.

Its going to be difficult to defeat a monster who feeds off media's attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. And that was just Fox News, imagine the support her will get if he goes up against liberal media.
 
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wildfire

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gutter_trash said:
If Putin can rock and party with Berlusconi, for sure Putin can have a good time with Trump as well
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The stakes are different though when it is Putin talking to the leader of America and Putin talking to the leader of Italy. Italy isn't seen as a threat to Russian *laughs* Putin's interests.
 
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Damaniel

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SporeCrawler said:
Well he is winning polls left and right.
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Polls this far out don't really mean much though.

Personally, I'm rooting for him to make it at least as far as the first caucuses. The more damage he does to the GOP by splitting them and turning them all against each other, the better.
 
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Bam Bam Baklava

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Veritigo_X said:
Just on the right. It's still really early though. If he keeps it up once candidates start dropping out we can start talking seriously.
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There's a new poll out today that shows he gets just as much support (41%) against Clinton as Jeb Bush and actually had more than Rubio/Walker/Paul.
 
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AlteredBeast

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SporeCrawler said:
Well he is winning polls left and right.
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Polls this early are as much about name recognition as policy. Trump's name is all over right now and Joe Sixpack doesnt know half of the rest of the clown car inhabitants. He gets an automatic boost from that alone. Talk to me if he is getting this sort of press when there are 4 guys left...
 
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Suikoguy said:
So, if Trump gained after the first debate. To me that indicates that Fox News viewers, while they may not trust the "liberal media" they apparently don't trust Fox News much either.

They created a very large group of monsters.
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Well the narrative Conservative media has been pushing for ages is that the media and journalists are out to get them, tools of the liberal agenda if you will. Conservatives are the outsiders who are pushed around under the guise of being PC and then Fox News shows up hammering Trump about things like the War on Women which is part of that PC war on conservatives. So now Fox News is just like CNN and MSNBC except there is no LIEberal media, it's just the media which is always full of liars and agenda-pushers. At least, that's what I get out of it through my observations.
 
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Into said:
By bringing up his reality show and The View, it clearly indicated that they had a team of people going through probably every episode of The Apprentice to find anything they can fuck him on.

Just the idea that people sat around, and took notes around a reality TV show to discredit someone who wants to lead the nation is sad. People are worried about the economy, immigration, jobs, Iran etc. And here are these clowns watching The Apprentice.

Its going to be difficult to defeat a monster who feeds off media's attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. And that was just Fox News, imagine the support her will get if he goes up against liberal media.
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Is this a character you play or are you being serious?
 
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Templar Wizard

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To all who say that Donald Trump has no chance, I just want to remind you that EVERY political pundit has been wrong so far. Trump is dead!, Campaign over! from every single side and they have been wrong.

Fox News has shown their white belly to him today. Yes, Shameless Fox News

And this is the guy who most conservatives dont even believe he is a 'true conservative'. In fact it can be said he is liberal on some issues and conservative on others.

Cruz and Paul have positioned themselves as out of the establishment candidates and that seemed to resonate with people, now comes a candidate who is 100% out of the establishment. In fact we see the establishment trying to manufacture consent and it didnt work.

Mr Trump is staying on target to get the republican nomination he is fighting that fight at the moment and he is leading. Even if some of the challenges he has faced are from his own doing, he is has still overcome them.

Many say that even if he gets the nomination that he cant appeal to the other side of America. Well, everyone has been wrong so far.

I know its been posted a few times, but I think its important for Trump-naysayers to see another side to him, here he is on Oprah many years back. Yes, its not recent but the media circus is a different animal now, and you need to have a different message to stay relevant and in the headlines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI&feature=youtu.be
 
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marrec

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Templar Wizard said:
To all who say that Donald Trump has no chance, I just want to remind you that EVERY political pundit has been wrong so far. Trump is dead!, Campaign over! from every single side and they have been wrong.

Fox News has shown their white belly to him today. Yes, Shameless Fox News

And this is the guy who most conservatives dont even believe he is a 'true conservative'. In fact it can be said he is liberal on some issues and conservative on others.

Cruz and Paul have positioned themselves as out of the establishment candidates and that seemed to resonate with people, now comes a candidate who is 100% out of the establishment. In fact we see the establishment trying to manufacture consent and it didnt work.

Mr Trump is staying on target to get the republican nomination he is fighting that fight at the moment and he is leading. Even if some of the challenges he has faced are from his own doing, he is has still overcome them.

Many say that even if he gets the nomination that he cant appeal to the other side of America. Well, everyone has been wrong so far.

I know its been posted a few times, but I think its important for Trump-naysayers to see another side to him, here he is on Oprah many years back. Yes, its not recent but the media circus is a different animal now, and you need to have a different message to stay relevant and in the headlines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI&feature=youtu.be
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Dude, he led a campaign to try and force Obama to give America his long-form birth certificate.

That's all you need to know about Trump.

As for his chances, Hermain Cain was leading Romney by 4% points with less competition on October 25th 2011.

The circus is in full swing and everyone is just clapping their hands in dumbfounded amazement right now.
 
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DrROBschiz

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Ill take Trump over Ted Cruz ugh


Every election has to be choosing the lesser of evils

For Once I would love to back a candidate I can be proud of
 
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gutter_trash

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DrROBschiz said:
Ill take Trump over Ted Cruz ugh


Every election has to be choosing the lesser of evils

For Once I would love to back a candidate I can be proud of
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I would take Trump over any of the other Republicans currently running.

If Christie wasn't a lying dubious dirt bag, maybe he would fair a better chance

The GOP candidates are way too socially Conservative from all sides to the point they make Trump look ''progressive'' next to them

Trump's lack of region is probably the ting that will give him the most trouble during the Primaries.
 
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Glass Joe

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jtb said:
Donald Trump is winning the polls and losing the nomination

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/
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That is an interesting and well presented opinion-piece. I wonder if we'll get any intelligent rebuttals to it?

I'm not a very political person (angers up the blood) so being involved at all this early in the process is new to me. But I think it's rather mindblowing that not only is Trump pulling good numbers, he's well ahead of everyone else and actually growing. Maybe it is a name recognition thing, but the same could be argued for Clinton or Bush. Maybe it is because he's always in the headlines. But if he stays in the race, I think he'll always remain in the headlines, so that will always be in his favor -- until he screws up too big.

Maybe it's a novelty thing. It's funny now so he'll get the polls, but 180 days away when it's gotten tiring and it's time to actually vote, a more reasonable choice will get the nod?

For now he's really entertaining though. I'm not discounting him as an impossibility like detractors have been quick to do so, but it's fascinating that he's striking a chord with so many.
 
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Downhome

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This is interesting...

http://www.wthr.com/story/29761894/ex-trump-aide-still-supports-businessmans-white-house-race

Ex-Trump aide still supports businessman's White House race
Posted: Aug 11, 2015 3:12 PM EDT
Updated: Aug 11, 2015 3:12 PM EDT
By The Associated Press
WASHINGTON -
A former adviser who says he quit Donald Trump's presidential campaign is calling the billionaire real estate mogul the best bet to shake up a "broken" U.S. political system.

Roger Stone says he resigned because he felt Trump was getting too distracted by marginal issues like his feud with Fox News personality Megyn Kelly.

There have been conflicting reports about the circumstances surrounding Stone's departure, including contentions by the campaign that he was fired.

Yet Stone, who's consulted eight presidential campaigns, says he supports Trump. He tells NBC's Today show Tuesday that Trump is the only candidate who "has the gumption and independence" to shake up the system. Stone adds that he wishes Trump would give more attention to "big-picture issues," in the style of former President Ronald Reagan.
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Downhome said:
This is interesting...

http://www.wthr.com/story/29761894/ex-trump-aide-still-supports-businessmans-white-house-race
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It's pretty much aligned with what i wrote earlier. Trumps background positions him at least perceptually to be in the best position to create and fight for change against what some view as a "machine" that is broken...

However for me to cast any vote, I need to hear more details and plans. But I am watching him and Bernie closely. Some might see that as a strange combo, however at this point I'm in broad listening and vibing mode and looking/feeling their general energy and stance. Soon though I want to hear details...

Also a heads up, I'm in New Hampshire originally from NYC (informal Gaf Polling).
 
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Downhome said:
This is interesting...

http://www.wthr.com/story/29761894/ex-trump-aide-still-supports-businessmans-white-house-race
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So Stone, who just said he quit because Trump was "losing his grip on reality," also says he is still the best choice for president? What?

Sounds like he confronted Trump, lost and his ego got hurt, and now is conceding. Kind of like how Fox News went after Trump and now their prez apologized. Say what you will about Trump, but his stubbornness sure seems to work.

spock said:
But I am watching him and Bernie closely. Some might see that as a strange combo, however at this point I'm in broad listening and vibing mode and looking/feeling their general energy and stance. Soon though I want to hear details...
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It is an odd-ball combo, but I'm exactly the same way right now. Trump has a 2012 book "Time to Get Tough" if you want more details on his general concepts of what he'd try to do in the White House.
 
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I'd like to see Trump v. Sanders or the more likely Trump v. Clinton. I'd be really curious to see him actually push the candidates I support off their scripts and get them to talk more candidly. I mean, he's an idiot, but he's good at pushing buttons.
 
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Trump in 1988 actually sounds like an eminently reasonable guy, someone that I'd consider voting for if I didn't like the other candidate.

Also, look at how far political discourse has fallen since then. Trump says he thinks Bush and Dukakis are both worthy candidates. There's no "Dukakis is a satanic socialist who wants to destroy America." Not that Trump is really that batshit on the "Democrats = America-hating traitors" front even today, but it echoes the political climate of the time.
 
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Downhome

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I don't think Trump is an idiot, and I have no clue why people say that.

Now he certainly isn't an intellectual, but he isn't an idiot, or stupid.

There is a difference.
 
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spock

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Downhome said:
I don't think Trump is an idiot, and I have no clue why people say that.

Now he certainly isn't an intellectual, but he isn't an idiot, or stupid.

There is a difference.
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With you on this one...It's like people forget what trump has achieved in his life prior to running. Not saying that gives him extra gold stars or brownie points but the guy did not achieve his success by being an idiot. When compared to most his life experience is probably more applicable in getting shit done and creating change (potentially good or bad change) compared to most politicians who are primarily speakers of some variety.
 
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Glass Joe said:
That is an interesting and well presented opinion-piece. I wonder if we'll get any intelligent rebuttals to it?
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It makes a good case for why Trump winning isn't 100% set in stone, but I'm sure everyone already knew that. I just don't get why they think they have enough evidence to say "Our emphatic prediction is simply that Trump will not win the nomination." when there only evidence of this is his approval ratings.

Back before Trump rose in popularity, all the predictions said he'd go nowhere because of his approval ratings. Instead what happened is his approval ratings rose, and he proved everyone, including Nate Silver, wrong by just getting this far. It seems like it's been a common theme over the last few cycles where political analysts tend to overestimate how much approval ratings are set in stone.

What if a lot of republicans are just dismissing him as a reality TV host, and when the debates switch to grilling him on policy, he starts to look more like a serious presidential candidate instead of a reality TV host? That's the type of question left to the type of punditry that have been historically bad at predicting elections, but prove the type of scenarios where a candidate can turn that around in the long 174 days until Iowa he emphasises so much.

I also have issues with his approval rating chart which oddly combines Iowa and New Hampsire in with National polls, despite previously saying those two states don't matter, but even assuming that list is accurate, Bush is the 10th least popular republican, dispite being second place in the polls. Is he going to also emphatically predict Bush won't win the nomination because of that?
 
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chadskin said:
Some interesting answers why Redditors want Trump to become President: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3gd3hh/serious_redditors_who_want_trump_to_become/
It's marked as 'serious', i.e. joke posts will get removed.
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Yeah those are certainly interesting.

"First of all, he's rich! He can't be bought!" (*conveniently ignores that the top 1% get greedy and always want MORE money*)

"He tells it like it is!" (*conveniently ignores that he has no platform, is only praising his ability to act like a chimpanzee on live TV*)

"Immigration is broken and we can't say anything about it because we're being suppressed by evil liberals" (I don't even need to add anything to this one)

So yeah, even the "serious" answers for people who support Trump are a fucking joke.

jtb said:
Donald Trump is winning the polls and losing the nomination

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/
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Lays out nicely why Trump is far from a nomination:

The neat thing about this is that you can overwhelmingly lose the majority in the referendum — 75 percent of Republicans are not voting for Trump — and yet still hold the plurality so long as the “no” vote is divided among a sufficient number of alternatives.
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