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SalvaPot

Member
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Vote: Kawl_USC
 

SalvaPot

Member
So what are the chances Squid's ability does something other than a role cop? Maybe its a tool to find a hidden member.

"Here comes the money"
 

cabot

Member
I'm sorry, Blarg getting a clear is ok but its not the optimal result.


Retro and Scrafty had a specific positive link to one another. Seath wasn't as strong but he was involved in that triangle. Why the fuck was Blarg brought up?
 

Burbeting

Banned
I want to tell everyone to vote their conscience, I'm not interested in the promises I asked for, I mostly wanted to see how people would respond.

In that case I'll change my vote.

Vote: ScraftyDevil

I'll keep Kawl in my mind for today, though. The thing Retro mentioned about him is quite odd.
 

nukedeggs

Member
Back home. Seems like a lot happened. Squidy's gambit with only checking Retro in return for Kawl votes is interesting and there were definitely some reactions to that that struck me as suspicious.

As it turns out, his ability is real. I think some people felt like they were deliberately delaying results. He had promised us that he would use the ability provided he got enough promises for Kawl lynch, and some people decided to talk about whether or not his ability is real. We had the power to know whether or not his ability is real had we only agreed to his terms, and town, as Matt Attack pointed out, had the option of lying - something that Squidy was fully aware of. I'm not sure why Matt Attack decided to point it out, and why Batsnacks almost immediately said something to the effect of "aw man! that was what I was gonna do!". Seemed like time wasters.

Squidy had put his neck way too far at that point to be mafia in my opinion, and was catching a lot of heat for it. It would have been an incredibly bold scum play, I don't think there was much of a reason at that point to think that Squidy was scum. Also did not like how quickly the Blarg train happened - he had nothing to do with what we were discussing earlier re: Retro, Scrafty, Kawl, Magnum, Terra. I expected something a little more relevant to the discussions earlier today, though to be fair Blarg's behavior has been erratic and he said nothing today.

Not sure why everyone is voting Kawl all of a sudden. Squidy himself said that the promise only holds in the case of a Retro check here:
I'm beginning to think that checking cabot wouldn't be a terrible idea either. I honestly think retro is telling the truth so I'm hesitant to use my ability on him which is why I want the precondition, but I could do cabot.

People seem to be jumping on Kawl rather quickly, including Kawl himself? This seems strange, I don't like this.
 

squidyj

Member
So what are the chances Squid's ability does something other than a role cop? Maybe its a tool to find a hidden member.

"Here comes the money"

hidden member wouldn't exactly be hidden would they? also why would I have only one shot to find a hidden member? seems dumb.

I have told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth the entire game, your honor. I realize that might be shocking to some people but it is what it is, and that's the truth.
 

Burbeting

Banned
So what are the chances Squid's ability does something other than a role cop? Maybe its a tool to find a hidden member.

"Here comes the money"

In that case it would be a multi-shot ability, I'd assume. What would a 1-shot chance at this would help scum, with 22 players.
 

squidyj

Member
I picked blarg because he's been more reticent than I might otherwise expect from him in this game and he's generally difficult for many players to read because he is also batshit crazy. So I figured either way something worthwhile can happen. I don't believe in any of the crap you're spewing cabot, investigating your supposed triangle was never going to be on my agenda.
 

cabot

Member
I picked blarg because he's been more reticent than I might otherwise expect from him in this game and he's generally difficult for many players to read because he is also batshit crazy. So I figured either way something worthwhile can happen. I don't believe in any of the crap you're spewing cabot, investigating your supposed triangle was never going to be on my agenda.

Ok
 

SalvaPot

Member
hidden member wouldn't exactly be hidden would they? also why would I have only one shot to find a hidden member? seems dumb.

I have told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth the entire game, your honor. I realize that might be shocking to some people but it is what it is, and that's the truth.

I am inclined to believe you, its only that it would be foolish to give you a XamPass and not point out how weird it was some of your choices, like the fact that you refused to act on Retro (Though, again, you did justify it), and picking Blarg, who was nowhere in the conversation until the moment you brought it up.


In that case it would be a multi-shot ability, I'd assume. What would a 1-shot chance at this would help scum, with 22 players.

I mean its fair to assume he could lie about it. If its 1 shot and he uses it then he can survive banking on scum to ignore him since he is now a regular townie, or, you know, he is stil scum/neutral. We can be sure he is not going to use his ability even if he can, at least for a while.
 

*Splinter

Member
Blah, I understand using it on Blarg but it's still kinda lame.

So what's with the Kawl train? We're hear to hunt mafia, not keep promises (also the deal was for Retro, not Blarg). I want explanations for all of those votes.
 

squidyj

Member
I am inclined to believe you, its only that it would be foolish to give you a XamPass and not point out how weird it was some of your choices, like the fact that you refused to act on Retro (Though, again, you did justify it), and picking Blarg, who was nowhere in the conversation until the moment you brought it up.




I mean its fair to assume he could lie about it. If its 1 shot and he uses it then he can survive banking on scum to ignore him since he is now a regular townie, or, you know, he is stil scum/neutral. We can be sure he is not going to use his ability even if he can, at least for a while.

I also found this to be a somewhat attractive point.
 

SalvaPot

Member
I do love voting on Blarg tho.

So we have:

Blarg- Money-less
Squid-One Shot Cop? Used.
Bats- Double Vote
Burb - Miller
Retro - Cooking.
 
I'm sorry, Blarg getting a clear is ok but its not the optimal result.


Retro and Scrafty had a specific positive link to one another. Seath wasn't as strong but he was involved in that triangle. Why the fuck was Blarg brought up?

I've no clue why squidy wanted Blarg over Retro or Scrafty.
 
Because they are his partners ;)

I'll admit I can humor the idea of squid being scum. The role is very public and showy, and its generally taken for granted that it is a town role. But then I don't see why he wouldn't have used it on Retro, and then browbeaten people into keeping their promise to lynch Kawl. Unless Retro was scum too, but then he should have never agreed to use it on Retro.

Idk at this point I'm going to eat my crow. I think these events ultimately make for sense if squid is town than if he is scum.
 

SalvaPot

Member
I'll admit I can humor the idea of squid being scum. The role is very public and showy, and its generally taken for granted that it is a town role. But then I don't see why he wouldn't have used it on Retro, and then browbeaten people into keeping their promise to lynch Kawl. Unless Retro was scum too, but then he should have never agreed to use it on Retro.

Idk at this point I'm going to eat my crow. I think these events ultimately make for sense if squid is town than if he is scum.

Its also the reason why I am ok with lynching kawl. It will tell us a lot more about squids motivations to lynch him, since that is one thing he has been eager on proving. It is a longshot, BUT if kawl does result to be scum it will clear squid and we will have 2 confirmed townies.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
And if Kawl is not scum... everyone will look more closely at squid.

That would be the absolute wrong assumption to make. I am explicitly okay with me being lynched on the condition that we are all pretty sure, there's no way that one shot cop is mafia.
 

nukedeggs

Member
And if Kawl is not scum... everyone will look more closely at squid.
Hmmm. I'm not sure if a Kawl town flip will make me think Squid is that much more suspicious. He's been going after him way too hard. It doesn't seem scummy, more like passionate town.
 

ultron87

Member
Oh come on. I was just driving home from work and that all happened. Why didn't we at least use it on one of the current suspects?
 
That would be the absolute wrong assumption to make. I am explicitly okay with me being lynched on the condition that we are all pretty sure, there's no way that one shot cop is mafia.

Yeah, I really don't see the role being scum aligned. About the only way it could be is if it doesn't check alignment and he's literally searching for money or something, but I think it's not particularly likely. As it stands I feel like squidy being town is pretty safe.
 

SalvaPot

Member
That would be the absolute wrong assumption to make. I am explicitly okay with me being lynched on the condition that we are all pretty sure, there's no way that one shot cop is mafia.

I am clearly not saying he is scum, but it would prove that either his gut was wrong (Happens to all of us) or he knew you weren't scum (aka he benefits from lynching you).

Both are bad for town, to different degrees.
 

Kalor

Member
So if we were to lynch someone besides Kawl who would it be? I'm drawing a blank when I look at people's posts. There's small actions that seem odd to me but could just be a town member stumbling in the dark.
 
I gotta say, that ordeal you all just put me through was absolutely exhausting

I must apologize, you've emotionally taxed me squidy, I need to take a breather

I am utterly pooped

I give you all permission for a short break, on me

You've all earned it
 

SalvaPot

Member
We've spent half the day looking at squid, who now has a confirmed role which is almost certainly towns shouldn't we be looking at... literally anyone else?

I was just burned on Xam in the PW game (And I heavily suggested he could not be a town cop, but again, I was scum on that game, so I was a bit biased), so I feel it is entirely possible his role has more than meets the eye.

That said, I do agree we should look at others, but so far other than Bats double vote we don't have anything tangible we can work on, so talking about squid right now that we have something real makes sense. If I had to give a read on squid I'll say he is 95% percent confirmed town, then again I really really raised an eyebrow in the way he has been playing his role since he claimed.
 
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