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[FinKL]

So PoE fits in Its totally free, You dont have to buy anything to have all the content and You are not in worse position either [although having more stash tabs helps with items management, but thats more convenience].
Also DOTA fits here and League of Legends if You take it slowly. Neverwinter is also quite friendly F2P currently from what i heard, but dont except many 'cosmetic only' F2P games, devs need to eat too

Currently playing PoE, i'm hooked. Literally nothing in the store is buy to win, (although there may be some xp boosters? All i've seen are cosmetics)

It feels like Diablo 2.5, and I'm ok with that especially by being burned by D3 in the first 2 months. My only qualm is that the item rarity is VERY similar to D3. I miss that feeling of logging on to do a quick Meph run or 2 and seeing uniques nearly every encounter

 

[KKRT00]

Literally nothing in the store is buy to win, (although there may be some xp boosters? All i've seen are cosmetics)

No XP boosters, no items, no stats boosts, nothing that gives advantage. They even give You 24 character slots per account [which You can make unlimited amount ], where in D3 limit is 10 and Guild Wars 2 is 5 [or 6?].
https://www.pathofexile.com/shop

 

[Card Boy]

(although there may be some xp boosters? All i've seen are cosmetics)

No exp boosters, there is nothing in the store that gives you a advantage over another player. Everything is cosmetic with no stat changes, unlike Valves TF2 store. You can pay for expanded bank storage but thats as far as it goes.

The developers have a manifesto and it's their business philosophy that PoE shall be no pay 2 win.

 

[KKRT00]

No exp boosters, there is nothing in the store that gives you a advantage over another player. Everything is cosmetic with no stat changes, unlike Valves TF2 store. You can pay for expanded bank storage but thats as far as it goes.

The developers have a manifesto and it's their business philosophy that PoE shall be no pay 2 win.

And literally they cant even sell xp boosters, because those would fucked up Races completely

 

[1-D_FTW]

If I'd known the game was gonna be like this, I would have bought it. Everytime I hear the story of a gaffer who sold some item for stupid cash, it sounds like my kind of game.

 

[lordy88]

Because I no longer trust Blizzard, I've got bored of Diablo 3 anyway and I won't give them more money for what should have been there since the beginning.

So out of spite?

I'm willing to give it another shot to the franchise that has given me the most pleasure over the years. I mean, if it's fun, it's fun. The drama associated with it shouldn't matter in my book.

 

[ZealousD]

I miss that feeling of logging on to do a quick Meph run or 2 and seeing uniques nearly every encounter

Did you play the same D2 I played? Because I don't remember D2 drop rates being even CLOSE to that good. D2 drop rates were baaaaad.

 

[toadsworth]

lol, it was caused by an integer overflow error

 

[Valnen]

I didn't even know about the hack, a friend of mine called me on Skype yesterday, he was acting really weird and told me to join his game fast so I did, he said to pick all his gear up and to take his gold, this motherfucker had 38 billions! He gave me all of it and seconds later he got DC'd because Blizzard banned him. I've played a couple hours more and then went to sleep. Today I log into the site and found this...

Well I guess that's that.

Ouch. Some friend you have.

 

[Fenderputty]

I didn't even know about the hack, a friend of mine called me on Skype yesterday, he was acting really weird and told me to join his game fast so I did, he said to pick all his gear up and to take his gold, this motherfucker had 38 billions! He gave me all of it and seconds later he got DC'd because Blizzard banned him. I've played a couple hours more and then went to sleep. Today I log into the site and found this...

Well I guess that's that.

That sucks man. Though I think you should be able to start a ticket, explain yourself and give the money back. Hope it works out whatever you do.

Wait, are you asking me how Blizzard should test their products? That's not really my prerogative to know, is it?

I see that lots of companies do things that involve "real money" every day, and those seem to be tested and working. Not anyone's fault but Blizzard's if their infrastructure and back-end is awful and flawed.

Even if it was a bug that Blizz should have found, exploiting the game in any way is reason for a ban hammer. If you're playing, you know this. People who were continuously breaking the TOS for more gold had it coming.

Indeed. Much more enjoyable than playing the game.

Ok then? I guess I fogot that gamers enjoy shitting on games more than playing them.

 

[Valnen]

Ok then? I guess I fogot that gamers enjoy shitting on games more than playing them.

There are people that still complain about Inferno being "unbeatable" without using the AH. These people haven't played the game for months and probably never will again and yet somehow they think their opinions on the game matter. It's quite funny. You can EASILY beat all the difficulties with no AH use. It's been that way for awhile now.

 

[Zaventem]

I honestly think they made a mistake by not doing a rollback.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

This is Shadowbane-levels of dupe-handling incompetance.

 

[Jack_AG]

Console version looks like the one to get for sure.

 

[shysaursoft]

Console version looks like the one to get for sure.

I just realized, I don't understand this sentiment. What's making the console version seem so appealing, in light of this brief issue? Offline mode aside. Its still the same game, with slightly retooled UI and direct character movement on the stick. Are those really that game-changing?

 

[Valnen]

I just realized, I don't understand this sentiment. What's making the console version seem so appealing, in light of this brief issue? Offline mode aside.

I don't get it either. The improvements that the console version is getting (better loot) is also coming to PC. The only real difference is offline mode and playing with a gamepad.

 

[partyphone]

You guys don't get it. Even though the auction house is entirely optional it's such a sweet, sweet seductress that it will force you to ruin your own experience with the game.

 

[Fersis]

You guys don't get it. Even though the auction house is entirely optional it's such a sweet, sweet seductress that it will force you to ruin your own experience with the game.

So what you're saying is that Diablo 3 is like Monica Bellucci with herpes?
Can i quote you on that?

 

[shysaursoft]

You guys don't get it. Even though the auction house is entirely optional it's such a sweet, sweet seductress that it will force you to ruin your own experience with the game.

Actually, I have beef with the AH. Not that it exists, but because it seems so damn difficult to use. I poked at it a few times to see if I might get some function out of it, but I'll be damned if it actually helps me use it. It has this 'recommended' list that appears when you go in, but the stuff it recommends makes no sense, isn't really tailored to my character or budget, and seems to be populated with arbitrary items. I can search for an item by name, or by stats, but I kinda don't want to do that, that's excel-spreadsheet stuff and I'm clearly not that hardcore.

I wish they'd made the AH more user-friendly. Like, let me right-click on an item in a slot, and show me recommended purchases that I can filter down easily based on price.

The AH should be more like Amazon, and less like a investment banker UI.

 

[Valnen]

Splitscreen is also going to be cool too though, I admit. Most console action RPG's are a lot more mediocre than D3 so it'll be nice when it comes out.

 

[jimi_dini]

How can you test a patch that involves the RMAH? The bug was related to the RMAH.

They don't have a Test RMAH nor a Test AH and they also don't have quality assurance systems as well? They only got the productive ones?

 

[Ferrio]

You guys don't get it. Even though the auction house is entirely optional it's such a sweet, sweet seductress that it will force you to ruin your own experience with the game.

It's optional, but the game was built around it. Therefor your experience is still affected by it even if you don't acknowledge it exists.

 

[Riggs]

I just realized, I don't understand this sentiment. What's making the console version seem so appealing, in light of this brief issue? Offline mode aside. Its still the same game, with slightly retooled UI and direct character movement on the stick. Are those really that game-changing?

NO fucking AH ....

I love the defenders in here. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe after 1.09 D3 will be decent, we'll see.

 

[Valnen]

NO fucking AH ....

In what way does that make the game better if you never use it to begin with? Yes, they're changing the way loot drops on the console versions, but they're also bringing those changes to PC.

 

[Dahbomb]

No AH on consoles will make it so that gold is harder to come by and would actually have some value. You would also have to play the game to get good gear. Trading will become more valuable and people would be forced to use gold on the gold sinks in the game mainly crafting. No more people sitting on billions of gold off of playing the AH. Also you would have a more natural progression of your loot. Previously the AH will give you a sweet upgrade on your current gear but that just made it so that finding that upgrade yourself became harder. If you never touch the AH you will see regular upgrades on your items.

Console version should limit bot usage as well.

 

[partyphone]

So what you're saying is that Diablo 3 is like Monica Bellucci with herpes?
Can i quote you on that?

Yes.

It's optional, but the game was built around it. Therefor your experience is still affected by it even if you don't acknowledge it exists.

Except they realize it was a mistake and they've been undermining it's usefulness. Right now it's easy to get through inferno without touching it. And it will be even easier after the next big itemization update.

 

[Valnen]

Console version should limit bot usage as well.

Oh yeah definitely. Especially if bots get their consoles banned from PSN.

 

[shysaursoft]

NO fucking AH ....

I love the defenders in here. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe after 1.09 D3 will be decent, we'll see.

That makes no sense. People say the AH ruined the game intrinsically, because it was designed around it - removing the AH isn't magically changing the design of the game, or the items. It's still the same game. No AH just means people will buy/trade like they did in Diablo 2 - that messy, easy-to-get-duped kind of way, where people spam WTB in chat.

In reality, the console version is *no different* other than controls and UI. If someone told me they wanted the console version for convenience, split-screen, or offline mode: boom. I get that. Same reason I got MC for 360, even though that was a bit of a letdown. But saying it's the best version because of no AH, or some other reason I've yet to understand - I don't get that.

Right now, D3 is perfectly decent for me. It's fun, I enjoy it. I don't really mind if it's not decent enough for others, that's their problem.

No AH on consoles will make it so that gold is harder to come by and would actually have some value. You would also have to play the game to get good gear. Trading will become more valuable and people would be forced to use gold on the gold sinks in the game mainly crafting. No more people sitting on billions of gold off of playing the AH. Also you would have a more natural progression of your loot. Previously the AH will give you a sweet upgrade on your current gear but that just made it so that finding that upgrade yourself became harder. If you never touch the AH you will see regular upgrades on your items.

Console version should limit bot usage as well.

All that exists, right now, in the PC version. Just don't use the AH.

Is this really such a weird idea?

 

[Dahbomb]

Also AH is much easier to use now. You can click on your own item and find similar items to it, easy to get upgrades then you can filter by price, DPS etc. And the AH now compares AH items to your item so there's no guessing game as to whether an AH items is an upgrade for you or not.

 

[shysaursoft]

Also AH is much easier to use now. You can click on your own item and find similar items to it, easy to get upgrades then you can filter by price, DPS etc. And the AH now compares AH items to your item so there's no guessing game as to whether an AH items is an upgrade for you or not.

Well derp. Shows you how much I use the AH. I'll check it out, though I still have no real inclination to buy anything off it. My gear feels fine, and I get upgrades at a regular enough rate to suffice personally. I dunno if WD is just the favoured class or something. But it's nice to know the option is there, though I guess I'm just used to MMOs so it doesn't feel game-breaking or out of place.

 

[Fenderputty]

It's optional, but the game was built around it. Therefor your experience is still affected by it even if you don't acknowledge it exists.

Bullshit.

Except they realize it was a mistake and they've been undermining it's usefulness. Right now it's easy to get through inferno without touching it. And it will be even easier after the next big itemization update.

Bingo. I've been trying to craft sholders for a while now because I want to sell the ones I currently have before nobody wants to buy sholders anymore. I did this with my gloves, bracers and ammy too. There is zero need for the AH if that's the style of play you want.

 

[Stripes55]

A question for those of you who keep insisting that you can ONLY get the best stuff from the AHs, and not by playing the game:

HOW DO YOU THINK THESE ITEMS GOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

 

[epmode]

Thanks to minmaxing idiots with more time than sense.

 

[smr00]

Glad i cashed out a long time ago before it all went to shit.

Such a bummer that D3 turned out so bad but a part of me is happy to see the RMAH burn.

 

[jim2point0]

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[Forsaken82]

That makes no sense. People say the AH ruined the game intrinsically, because it was designed around it - removing the AH isn't magically changing the design of the game, or the items. It's still the same game. No AH just means people will buy/trade like they did in Diablo 2 - that messy, easy-to-get-duped kind of way, where people spam WTB in chat.

In reality, the console version is *no different* other than controls and UI. If someone told me they wanted the console version for convenience, split-screen, or offline mode: boom. I get that. Same reason I got MC for 360, even though that was a bit of a letdown. But saying it's the best version because of no AH, or some other reason I've yet to understand - I don't get that.

Right now, D3 is perfectly decent for me. It's fun, I enjoy it. I don't really mind if it's not decent enough for others, that's their problem.



All that exists, right now, in the PC version. Just don't use the AH.

Is this really such a weird idea?

Are the chat systems even going to be global on the console? Trading isn't going to even be that easy.

 

[Treemonkeys]

Except they realize it was a mistake and they've been undermining it's usefulness. Right now it's easy to get through inferno without touching it. And it will be even easier after the next big itemization update.

Don't act like Inferno is the highest difficulty, try MP10 inferno with no AH.

 

[Opiate]

It's optional, but the game was built around it. Therefor your experience is still affected by it even if you don't acknowledge it exists.

To whatever extent this is true, the reverse would be true if the AH was taken out. As we can see from D2, fans of trading/markets were forced to create their own third party site and currency just to facilitate trading; it's much safer and more efficient to have this built in to the game.

So my conclusion is that AH/Trader players and non-AH/solo players simply cannot get along in the same domain. For someone like me (who loves the market), the PS3 version is vastly inferior and holds no interest for me.

 

[Prezhulio]

ah, guess i should have liquidated my 30mil a few months ago when i stopped playing. oh well, i enjoyed my time with it, it just didn't grab me for years on end like diablo 2 did. see you at the exapansion blizzard!

 

[Zia]

Is Path of Exile actually better than Diablo III?

 

[thetrin]

Is Path of Exile actually better than Diablo III?

I think there are aspects that are better (world construction, enemy design, loot tables, spell and ability mechanics, skill tree), but the actual combat is still better in D3. I still think the core combat in D3 is stellar, and it was the one reason I played the game for 400 hours. The loot sucked, the enemy design was boring, and the skill tree was simplistic. That said, picking those 5-6 skills you wanted to use, your three passives, and then beating the crap out of enemies was incredibly well designed.

 

[shysaursoft]

Is Path of Exile actually better than Diablo III?

It's too different for me to consider it a direct competitor. I play both, honestly, because both provide their own experience that is truly unique to itself. They share genre, but that's about it.

 

[Revoh]

That sucks man. Though I think you should be able to start a ticket, explain yourself and give the money back. Hope it works out whatever you do.

Yeah I'm about to do that, thanks man. And if I recover my account back we should play together again, where's Definity? I've had a bunch of fun with you guys months ago

 

[Catchafire2000]

Is Path of Exile actually better than Diablo III?

Yes and no. D3 is leagues ahead of PoE in terms of gameplay and internet stability but the fun factor for me is better in POE. PoE is more addicting for me, even with all its faults.

 

[partyphone]

Don't act like Inferno is the highest difficulty, try MP10 inferno with no AH.

It's probably a bit more ridiculous than getting through inferno in its original form. But it won't be once they add more recipes and improve itemization.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

In hindsight, this game will go down as the most disappointing sequel in video game history. Deus Ex 2 is not even close. The auction house is, like, the worst idea I have ever seen that ruined an okay-ish action RPG entirely.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Thanks to minmaxing idiots with more time than sense.

Idiots yes, but min maxing was the only way to actually be able play this piece of shit game in its early stages. In many when I see people spending 250 dollars on an in game item I simply see desperation.

Most of the "fun" I had with diablo 3 was me and my friends laughing as we figured out some silly glitch to get us through whatever problem we were having, or some goofy combo. I still remember when spin2win was called double tornado build and only a handful of barbs were using it.

 

[Ferrio]

To whatever extent this is true, the reverse would be true if the AH was taken out. As we can see from D2, fans of trading/markets were forced to create their own third party site and currency just to facilitate trading; it's much safer and more efficient to have this built in to the game.

So my conclusion is that AH/Trader players and non-AH/solo players simply cannot get along in the same domain. For someone like me (who loves the market), the PS3 version is vastly inferior and holds no interest for me.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with a built in AH. I do believe Blizzard horrible itemization might of been a result of the AH, or the very least they underestimated it due to the AH able to pick up the slack (any complaints about itemization could be countered with "Hey we have an AH to fix that!").

The heart of the issue to me is the itemization and stat system. What caused it... who knows.

 

[StrongArmSteady]

It means that before the patch, the lowest you could buy/sell your gold for was $0.25 a million. So if you wanted to buy 100 million gold it would cost you $25 and viceversa. Now the lowest is $0.25 per 10 million, so the same 100 million would only cost you $2.5.

Being a billionaire in this game was never easier!

Thank you kind soul

 

[Maledict]

I'm sorry but people should stop trying to undersell the continued impact of the AH on the game. Yes, it's probably possible to finish Inferno mode without using it (at a push).

But there is no way on earth people are progressing in the game and actually farming hellfire rings, monster power levels etc. without using the AH. The drop rate on useable items is simply too low. My wizard is kitted out in archon farming gear that cost less than a million gold in total. I've farmed 21 paragon levels with him and not found a *single* upgrade. Without the AH progression at level 60 is just not possible - the time commitments due to the way loot works a ludicrously, insanely high.