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[robochimp]

The game is a train wreck.

The problem is that the game was designed to be a constant revenue stream first and a game second.

 

[Riggs]

Unfortunately it will be another 2 months at least for 1.09 ....

And who knows if they will even really fix the drops. Less yellows with a better stat range is what they said. We'll see ....

I just don't know how anyone can play in the state it's in. I've rolled hellfire so many times I can't even count, that's all there is to do. Play 8-10 hrs a day and nothing good drops , fun fun fun.

 

[Valnen]

People want single player but economies in the games are developed around the fact that people can and should be trading, so that means lower drop rates, higher levels of randomization, just a general less friendly single player experience than if one was directly designed around it.

If this is the case why was everyone saying Diablo 2 was fine as a single player experience when everything was extremely rare? They used this as justification that they should be able to play Diablo 3 offline.

 

[Zaventem]

Unfortunately it will be another 2 months at least for 1.09 ....

And who knows if they will even really fix the drops. Less yellows with a better stat range is what they said. We'll see ....

I just don't know how anyone can play in the state it's in. I've rolled hellfire so many times I can't even count, that's all there is to do. Play 8-10 hrs a day and nothing good drops , fun fun fun.

My guess is they'll save the for big improvements for the Expansion pack.

 

[shysaursoft]

That sounds like a win-win, doesn't? Less Loot = Good, Better stat range = Good ?

It does. The things that stand out for me, that they're planning to impliment:

Allowing Legendary items to roll their base stats (dps and armour) at the level of the monster that dropped them.

Skill-changing Legendaries, like a Wizard Orb that allows for two Hydras, or boots that let a Barbarian's Call of the Ancients last until they die.

More crafting recipes for things you can't buy/sell on the AH.

And ideas they're bouncing around:

Named NPCs dropping specific Legendaries, like the Butcher having a chance of dropping Butcher's Carver.

A system that ensures that some of the Rares that drop always include something for your class.

Play 8-10 hrs a day and nothing good drops , fun fun fun.

If I played a single game for 10 hours a day, I'd get pretty bored of it too. Balance, man! Play other things! I think I don't spend more than 30 minutes in D3 in a single day, perhaps an hour on a weekend.

Also, if you have that many Hellfire Rings, I wish you could give me one

 

[Fenderputty]

Unfortunately it will be another 2 months at least for 1.09 ....

And who knows if they will even really fix the drops. Less yellows with a better stat range is what they said. We'll see ....

I just don't know how anyone can play in the state it's in. I've rolled hellfire so many times I can't even count, that's all there is to do. Play 8-10 hrs a day and nothing good drops , fun fun fun.

Wah wah I played 400 hours and the game sucks. Look I can post on the main page and garner support from people who haven't played since before the inferno nerf.

 

[Etnos]

The game is a train wreck.

The problem is that the game was designed to be a constant revenue stream first and a game second.

True statement on the basis that Blizzard is now own by an Alien Evil AI, that cares not about fans, they only care about our Terran money revenues. They replaced all the studio talent with cyber-zombies cloned out of Bobby Kotick DNA.

As we all can see due to this irrefutable evidence: statement A: "Diablo 3 is a train wreck", Is not a disproportionate internet hyperbole, is in fact a true fact.

logics...

 

[KingKong]

So these people couldnt cash out by buying and reselling items from gold to real money?

 

[thetrin]

I enjoy Torchlight 2. Now it's moddable. Just saying.

It was always moddable. It just has Steam Workshop now.

I'll be honest, while D3 is a total unmitigated disaster, and there are serious issues with it, I still think it has far better combat than TL2. I think TL2 has the edge in many things (skill tree, level design, modability, etc), but its combat just isn't as good as D3's.

 

[KKRT00]

Sure, some changes like drop rates can be fixed relatively quickly. But perhaps, Blizzard, like any other competent developer or company, decided not to implement changes in a knee-jerk reaction style and instead decided to take a measured approach to things and to actually *think* changes through before implementing them?

Thats why they were changing drop rates at least 5 times since release? Because they were careful and wanted to test them internally? :>

Besides to claim that most of the updates implemented thus far could have been done in weeks is just ridiculous. We are talking about new recipes, ubers, MP levels, completely redesigned legendaries, PvP arena, Paragon level and countless other tweaks. How many other games do you know of that have made such drastic changes over the course of year since release?

And when was the last time you played the game?

completely redesigned legendaries - dont joke, please
Paragon levels - count exp for 100 levels designed in excel from exponential function and add 3% stat bonuses to character after leveling [Blizzard needs 4 months of work]
ubers - same bosses with increased HP and damage in existing tileset, add portal and 4 items to grind [6 months?]
MP levels - simple UI modification and increase HP/exp values of monsters in database [Blizzard needs 5 months]
recipes - how many recipes they've added? One for ring after 7-8 months from launch and month ago two more?
PvP arena - they had code for this since 2009 [it was playable on Blizzcon] and they've havent even added matchmaking to the game

I've played after 1.0.5 and again after 1.0.6 or 1.0.7

How many other games do you know of that have made such drastic changes over the course of year since release?

Any online game ever released? Any game that was in beta?

 

[CrunchyB]

Diablo 2 comes out, and part of the core group from Diablo 1 said "wow this is crap" and didn't play it. The rest played it, and joined the new group that formed around Diablo 2. Then after a few months, some of that group dropped out saying "it got boring", while a core remained with it until Diablo 3.

Yeah, I can' t say I agree there. D2 was graphically underwhelming when it first came out, but everyone seemed to love the game itself, despite it's flaws. The story/FMV were also very impressive at the time.

I really doubt either are many people who prefer D1 over D2. The first game was incredibly limited.

The consensus (of me and my Diablo buddies) on D3 is basically, more streamlined and easier to play, looks ok, but inferior in every other way. Completed the game a couple of times and then lost all interest.

 

[Mashing]

Putting in an AH in Diablo 3 is going to go down as the G.B.O.A.T (gaming blunder of all time).

 

[shysaursoft]

Yeah, I can' t say I agree there.

Well, I was talking about an anecdotal situation. I wasn't expecting anyone to agree, I was just recounting some memories.

I know people who still prefer D1 over D2 and D3. Though granted, they're weird. But you always get die-hards that insist one thing is better. How many people still play CS 1.6?

Hell, I knew people that were upset when Diablo 1 was made real-time, instead of turn-based like the original idea, when it was still an attempt at a pure graphical roguelike. S'all sorts in the world.

Completed the game a couple of times and then lost all interest.

Which kinda makes the point I was making. You dropped out, and others are staying. The circle of life continues.

 

[Fenderputty]

So these people couldnt cash out by buying and reselling items from gold to real money?

Each RMAH transactions has to go through an approval. They rolled back all the RMAH transactions last night. They've also done a more than a few bannings as they have logs on everyone who was duping. Someone got banned on a live stream last night. The only "damage" that is going to happen is more money at the top for the money that made it out and into the GAH. The GAH was already stupidly expensive for top tier items anyway. However, barrier to entry to inferno has been lowered to stupid levels of easy. Middle tier stuff is cheap and you can now craft BIS items for like half the slots. Couple all that with the addition of monster power and literally no one should care.

 

[inky]

. Middle tier stuff is cheap and you can now craft BIS items for like half the slots. Couple all that with the addition of monster power and literally no one should care.

3 slots max (amulet, bracers and shoulders) is not half the slots. And even bracers are a toss up between things you can't get there and you can with legendary items, like movement speed.

Economy will probably correct itself in a few weeks, but let's not pretend this won't have any impact either, for instance, this will probably push back other more important updates, which are running extremely late as it is.

 

[anotherVegan]

So who's for going back to playing Diablo 1 legitly?

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

Banning people who dupe due to Blizzard fucking up is hilarious. How about: Don't release broken patches instead of blaming your users after the fact for exploiting your inept QA?

 

[zulfate]

That's actually a damn good idea, can't believe I didn't think of it. Kudos.

No problem, hey who needs numbers anyways lol.

 

[Fenderputty]

3 slots max (amulet, bracers and shoulders) is not half the slots. And even bracers are a toss up between things you can't get there and you can with legendary items, like movement speed.

Economy will probably correct itself in a few weeks, but let's not pretend this won't have any impact either, for instance, this will probably push back other more important updates, which are running extremely late as it is.

Gloves? Chest? Ring? If your a CM wiz and need more MS then lacuni's might still be BIS, but you're really not being honest here in general. Someone who's entering inferno can easily get some of the best gear by crafting now.

Banning people who dupe due to Blizzard fucking up is hilarious. How about: Don't release broken patches instead of blaming your users after the fact for exploiting your inept QA?

How can you test a patch that involves the RMAH? The bug was related to the RMAH. There was no way to test for this bug until it went live. People who found the bug but contacted Blizz were not banned. Opiate is a good example of this. Someone who dupes gold over and over and over again gets no sympathy from me.

 

[old manatee]

A gold bug/dupe is an exploit and a bug, and does not mean the design is *fundamentally* broken. D1 and D2 had plenty of gold/item dupes. You've yet to explain how the design is fundamentally broken. If you want to talk the itemization, then there's that discussion, I agree. But you're not talking about that.

Ok, you win Diablo 3 is a well-designed game and the fundamental problems have been addressed in a timely manner.

 

[inky]

Gloves? Chest? Ring? If your a CM wiz and need more MS then lacuni's might still be BIS, but you're really not being honest here in general. Someone who's entering inferno can easily get some of the best gear by crafting now.

Gloves I'll give you, but chest & ring? come on... Every BIS chest is a set piece, and ring depends again on your priorities. Hellfire ring is but a distraction but I don't want to argue this point because I agree that Inferno barrier of entry is not an issue and is something I wouldn't complain about anyway.

I'm mainly talking about how with some gold more and the new gold floor middle of the road trifecta rings for example, which were in the 100-200 million range are probably going to be much more expensive for a while, together with similar upgrades. There is going to be an effect at least short term, the extent of which remains to be seen.

 

[Trickster]

How can you test a patch that involves the RMAH? The bug was related to the RMAH. There was no way to test for this bug until it went live. People who found the bug but contacted Blizz were not banned. Opiate is a good example of this. Someone who dupes gold over and over and over again gets no sympathy from me.

You really think they cant test the RMAH?

 

[shysaursoft]

Ok, you win Diablo 3 is a well-designed game and the fundamental problems have been addressed in a timely manner.

I don't think it's well-designed. I think it has well-designed elements, and there are still plenty of things that need to be fixed, and many of the current fixes took too long (identify all, for example).

This wasn't a contest. I wasn't trying to "win" anything. You said something I disagreed with, and asked for elaboration, which you refused to do. So I'm going to assume you just wanted to bandwagon hate, and have nothing you actually want to add.

 

[Fenderputty]

Gloves I'll give you, but chest & ring? come on... Every BIS chest is a set piece, and ring depends again on your priorities. Hellfire ring is but a distraction but I don't want to argue this point because I agree that Inferno barrier of entry is not an issue and is something I wouldn't complain about anyway.

I'm mainly talking about how with some gold more and the new gold floor middle of the road trifecta rings for example, which were in the 100-200 million range are probably going to be much more expensive for a while, together with similar upgrades. There is going to be an effect at least short term, the extent of which remains to be seen.

Dude ... you can craft a 300 VIT chest piece and get your main stat pretty easily. It's one of the best pieces to craft if you don't already have a set or have a ton of money.

The ring is far from a distraction, but it seems we both agree that barrier to entry is almost nill now so ... I'll stop.

I'm just not at all concerned about the top tier items getting a little more out of reach. I'm just not. The exploit lasted 3 hours and compared to the population, very few of people had enough money to use the exploit anyway. They're all being banned.

 

[AllenShrz]

Why do people are still playing this?

I finished it long time ago on inferno, what else is in there? kill the same creeps just faster? What I'm missing here?

 

[NullPointer]

Why do people are still playing this?

I finished it long time ago on inferno, what else is in there? kill the same creeps just faster? What I'm missing here?

Its fun to bash hordes of things and tweak you skills to bash things in new and more interesting ways. That's all I needed for a good time.

Everybody else is playing virtual merchant I'd guess.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Why do people are still playing this?

I finished it long time ago on inferno, what else is in there? kill the same creeps just faster? What I'm missing here?

Well you get more loot that lets you get bigger numbers, and those bigger numbers let you kill the same creeps again and again, said creeps drop more loot for even BIGGER numbers and...

 

[Ferrio]

I had a feeling this was going to end up on the main page so a bunch of people who haven't played in 6 months can express their faux outrage.

Outrage? No. Amusement? YES!

 

[shysaursoft]

Fun: a source of enjoyment, amusement, diversion, etc

 

[gravitybear]

why oh why did they include the auction house?? if they wanted a "continuous revenue stream" (as was the goal), just SELL THE ITEMS DIRECTLY. Microtransactions, they are going great these days.

 

[buhdeh]

I had a feeling this was going to end up on the main page so a bunch of people who haven't played in 6 months can express their faux outrage.

There are more people laughing at this than outraged.

 

[Fenderputty]

There are more people laughing at this than outraged.

So you're all laughing at a non issue because of your faux outrage from 6 months ago. Much better.

 

[Majine]

Must be so fucking stressful for Blizz when there's real money involved.

 

[Raptomex]

The combat isn't as exciting as D3 or PoE and the skill trees are honestly kind of lame. I regret buying TL2, PoE is a better D3 alternative for me.

I just wish a game existed with D3's amazing combat and PoE's amazing dungeon map system.

That said, I'm surprised people actually care about the economy in these games considering most people here seemed quite vocal about only wanting single player. It shouldn't effect you, right?

We tried to play Torchlight 2 but had constant desync problems. No matter what we've tried, it doesn't stay stable. We looked the problem up, and a vast amount of player encounter this problem, yet there seems no fix for it. As shitty as D3 is, they have at least a support. >_>
I Actually enjoyed D3 up to the "repair cost patch". Stopped playing immediately afterwards.

I enjoyed D3s combat as well. However the emphasis on the auction house really ruined the game for me. As well as the always online. I'm more of a single player guy so I never really play these games for the multiplayer either. And as for PoE, I've never played it, but I'm not a big fan of F2P games. But from what I've seen it looks pretty cool, gameplay wise.

 

[KKRT00]

but I'm not a big fan of F2P games

Time to change this mentality F2P games [quality ones] are just games You want to play just they dont cost anything.

 

[edwardslane]

I know I'm the minority here, but Titan Quest surpassed D2 in every aspect possible.

Hmm interesting maybe i'll have to check that out.

 

[Raptomex]

Time to change this mentality F2P games [quality ones] are just games You want to play just they dont cost anything.

If it was actually free and didn't try to make me buy anything (including DLC or any content ever) then I'd be all for it.

 

[YourMaster]

I know I'm the minority here, but Titan Quest surpassed D2 in every aspect possible.

I really preferred the story and storytelling in D2. I also liked the atmosphere better, and that you had the 'town' as a home base in stead of always pushing on.

I really liked the class/skill system in TQ though.

 

[lordy88]

Am I the only one looking forward to the Expansion?

Think about it this way:

• They have made a decent amount of positive changes to the game since launch
• It will be a fresh day 1 launch (the equivalent to a ladder season, hopefully)
• They could theoretically have AH removed for the Expansion
• More content, more classes
• Hopefully fixed up loot by then (remember the drastic shift from D2 classic to expansion?)

I know I'll be getting back into the game when the expansion hits, and it will act in some ways like a second chance for the game. Also, Jay Wilson is gone, and maybe that will mean better streamlined decisions.

Just a thought guys.

 

[Revoh]

I didn't even know about the hack, a friend of mine called me on Skype yesterday, he was acting really weird and told me to join his game fast so I did, he said to pick all his gear up and to take his gold, this motherfucker had 38 billions! He gave me all of it and seconds later he got DC'd because Blizzard banned him. I've played a couple hours more and then went to sleep. Today I log into the site and found this...

Well I guess that's that.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Jay Wilson: "Fuck those losers."

 

[ComputerMKII]

Am I the only one looking forward to the Expansion?

Think about it this way:

• They have made a decent amount of positive changes to the game since launch
• It will be a fresh day 1 launch (the equivalent to a ladder season, hopefully)
• They could theoretically have AH removed for the Expansion
• More content, more classes
• Hopefully fixed up loot by then (remember the drastic shift from D2 classic to expansion?)

I know I'll be getting back into the game when the expansion hits, and it will act in some ways like a second chance for the game. Also, Jay Wilson is gone, and maybe that will mean better streamlined decisions.

Just a thought guys.

They should have done this when the original game launched. Too late.

 

[Mugaaz]

If it was actually free and didn't try to make me buy anything (including DLC or any content ever) then I'd be all for it.

LOL, holy hell. Where do people get this sense of entitlement from? People don't work for you to be entertained for free. F2P is just a different method of charging you for their business.

 

[Raptomex]

LOL, holy hell. Where do people get this sense of entitlement from? People don't work for you to be entertained for free. F2P is just a different method of charging you for their business.

Well it's deceiving in a way. Yeah it's free to play but extra stuff you will have to pay for. And that pisses me off. When I see "free" I expect FREE everything about the game. And the stuff you pay for seems to be stuff that's usually very miniscule like a gun or a weapon or leveling up faster, etc. (just from what I've seen in some games). I'd rather see them release it retail with all the little features then release DLC/expansions later on.

 

[lordy88]

They should have done this when the original game launched. Too late.

Why is it too late?

Yes, I will not have the same amount of hype, but if the game is what we wanted and is fresh, wouldn't you want to play it?

 

[ComputerMKII]

Why is it too late?

Yes, I will not have the same amount of hype, but if the game is what we wanted and is fresh, wouldn't you want to play it?

Because I no longer trust Blizzard, I've got bored of Diablo 3 anyway and I won't give them more money for what should have been there since the beginning.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

How can you test a patch that involves the RMAH? The bug was related to the RMAH. There was no way to test for this bug until it went live. People who found the bug but contacted Blizz were not banned. Opiate is a good example of this. Someone who dupes gold over and over and over again gets no sympathy from me.

Wait, are you asking me how Blizzard should test their products? That's not really my prerogative to know, is it?

I see that lots of companies do things that involve "real money" every day, and those seem to be tested and working. Not anyone's fault but Blizzard's if their infrastructure and back-end is awful and flawed.

 

[buhdeh]

So you're all laughing at a non issue because of your faux outrage from 6 months ago. Much better.

Indeed. Much more enjoyable than playing the game.

 

[KKRT00]

If it was actually free and didn't try to make me buy anything (including DLC or any content ever) then I'd be all for it.

So PoE fits in Its totally free, You dont have to buy anything to have all the content and You are not in worse position either [although having more stash tabs helps with items management, but thats more convenience].
Also DOTA fits here and League of Legends if You take it slowly. Neverwinter is also quite friendly F2P currently from what i heard, but dont except many 'cosmetic only' F2P games, devs need to eat too and 'cosmetic only' business model is less reliable currently.

 

[Raptomex]

So PoE fits in Its totally free, You dont have to buy anything to have all the content and You are not in worse position either [although having more stash tabs helps with items management, but thats more convenience].
Also DOTA fits here and League of Legends if You take it slowly.

Then I may check it out if that's true.