Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting. Nobody should have to suffer like this.
Tell that to his victim. She's too raped and murdered to argue her case, though.
Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting. Nobody should have to suffer like this.
What?
No they're not.
Yup. I don't give a damn. As a husband and very soon to be father, the thought makes me shudder.1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant newlywed
Can't say i have any remorse for the fella.
Tell that to his victim. She's too raped and murdered to argue her case, though.
Tell that to his victim. She's too raped and murdered to argue her case, though.
But the way they phrased it seems off. "We have forgiven him but he still needs to die because .."
it is the right thing to do?
it will make us feel better?
he deserves it?
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Why on Earth would you use untried experimental drugs for an execution? Did the old ones leave something to be desired?
Did I read that right? He thinks he is going to Heaven?
Let me clarify. What you've quoted was intended to point out that Ohio executed someone with the tools they had available. I do not take issue with Ohio or the drug companies who have refuse to sell barbiturates for use in lethal injections. I take issue with killers.Nothing promotes a drug or a chemical like "IT KILLS PEOPLE" for the world to see.
"Giving no fucks" and refusing to think unemotionally is tacit approval.
Hard for me to not think lowly of people who feel a man should be executed this way. The man deserved punishment but you would think society would find a better way to deal with criminals than sinking to their level. I think you have to be a sociopath to be in favor of this.
what would be a fair punishment?
That didn't address the issue I brought up.And what about his victim??? I can't imagine her death was swift and painless? He's dead now so no point in talking it about it further.
I wonder why they don't use something like a lethal dose of morphine. There have to be tons of ways to chemically kill someone. Why use the way that would leave them struggling to breathe for 10 minutes instead of just using one that allows them to drift off and their heart to stop.
I agree but that doesn't mean they are advocating for experimentation.
There simply isn't any sympathy for the executed...
Did he just more or less say "cruel and unusual punishment is banned, but uh, let's do it anyway"?
Hard for me to not think lowly of people who feel a man should be executed this way. The man deserved punishment but you would think society would find a better way to deal with criminals than sinking to their level. I think you have to be a sociopath to be in favor of this.
Don't most religions preach that sins can be absolved if you're truly repentant?
Life imprisonment is all I can think of. Probably the best you'll get.
The state of Ohio isn't in the business of torture.
Well, wasn't.
Who decides that's fair though? You? The state? Humanity? It's a very gray area...Life imprisonment is all I can think of. Probably the best you'll get.
that is too lenient. that is not fair to the husband who lost a wife and child. he only loses freedom.
This.ITT people know 100% sure the executed was guilty.
Executions are barbaric and this is just further proof of how barbaric they are. The state should not be interested in carrying out emotion-based petty revenge. They're in the punishment and rehabilitation business, not forcing medical personnel to kill another human being.
So he raped and killed a PREGNANT newly-wed, no pity here, actually kind of glad. Just imagining my wife going through that is enough to justify it.
And had they done so intentionally, as HE did, I'd find issue with this. As it stands they didn't and in either case, he deserved worse than what he got. So...
What failed? Dude is dead. There is no proof he was conscious during the body convulsions & gasping that is being reported. The first drug that was administered was a heavy sedative. He went to sleep and died.This was an untried execution method that failed. You are all advocating using death penalty convicts as experimental test subjects against their will.
This was an experiment. They tested a new method of execution on him despite his appeals against them, and it failed spectacularly. That the end result was his death shouldn't mean this was in any way a victory for justice, since justice was inherently failed by the method.
So do you think this guy should have been raped and murdered as well? Then would it be fair?
Who decides that's fair though? You? The state? Humanity? It's a very gray area...
that is too lenient. that is not fair to the husband who lost a wife and child. he only loses freedom.
What the hell, people are actually defending this?
One guy being terrible doesn't give us a free pass to be equally terrible. Fucking hell.
You know that he did the crime for sure? Our justice system suddenly became perfect?
Are you fine with the thought that there is a reasonable chance they just forced medical personnel to kill an innocent man?
thinking like that is inconsitent with the glorious suffering and revenge fantasies a lot of posters are having in this thread.ITT people know 100% sure the executed was guilty.
Executions are barbaric and this is just further proof of how barbaric they are. The state should not be interested in carrying out emotion-based petty revenge. They're in the punishment and rehabilitation business, not forcing medical personnel to kill another human being.
And had they done so intentionally, as HE did, I'd find issue with this. As it stands they didn't and in either case, he deserved worse than what he got. So...
So the husband gains something by the murderer being executed? Do you really think so? At best, he gains a temporary fulfillment of his angry bloodlust, assuming he has that (not all victims' families do). After that, nothing has changed.
The state turning a murder into a double murder does nothing constructive for anyone. Ever. End of story.
Frankly, I'd have let her husband beat him until he was a crippled mess and then choose whether he should be executed or left to die on a road side, but it's not up to me.
You commit premeditated (non-self-defense/accident) murder, you get your shit fucked. Hard. Hell, air it unedited on national television. Would be a whole lot less murdering going on. Put an end to this shit quickly.
If you think the husband didn't feel justice, o assure you you would be wrong.
This.
You would think that in two thousand and fucking fourteen people would have some sense of what ethics are good for humanity and what aren't. The ethics of revenge make us barbarians, and do nothing for the betterment of society.
that is too lenient. that is not fair to the husband who lost a wife and child. he only loses freedom.