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NBC poll: Trump continues to lead the GOP field after 1st debate
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Rabbi_Vole
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Really wish Rubio was polling higher. I wonder if his lisp is hurting him
Walker dropped from 23% last time PPP polled Iowa. He always had larger support in the midwest.
IAmRandom31
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After watching the debate, it becomes more and more apparent how much of a popularity contest these things seem to be. Trump really had a horrible " debate " to be honest, with only 1 line that was a good zinger. Other then that he just had horrible ideas left and right, like building a giant WALL. A HUGE WALL or whatever. Good luck getting something like that built. He then dodges how almost all his companies have gone bankrupt and then he dodges how he stated he had specific evidence that Mexico was sending criminals purposefully to the US. It was just a horrible showing by Trump, which was more then expected tbh, but seeing his numbers rise after such a showing just goes to show either the polls are pure BS ( which is my theory really ) or this country is just all about style and nothing about substance these days.
But I think we are now a tabloid society, and Trump is a headline creator, so his rising numbers despite horrible substance is actually proof of that.
But I think we are now a tabloid society, and Trump is a headline creator, so his rising numbers despite horrible substance is actually proof of that.
Duane Cunningham
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He has the charisma of a limp noodle.
It's just his dry mouth, once he has a drink of water he'll be fine.
Rabbi_Vole
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As does Hil, but she's still polling ahead of Sanders.
Yeah honestly I think if Trump lost any support it went to Cruz and Fiorina, but that's a 20% he could potentially gain.
Fiorina's business record is pretty terrible. No way Trump lets her get away with that at the next debate. They've already started fueding:
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance!
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This makes no sense at all.
Trump is by far the most center in the field. I took a quiz and trump was the closest republican candidate to my views.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Its the Republican based getting completely exposed basically
EatinOlives
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He's such a horrible politician that it's actually having the opposite effect of making him more popular, because I guess people want to see a "horrible politician" leading the polls.
At the end of the day there's really nothing redeemable about Trump. He's nowhere near "anti-establishment" as people like to think he is. He's still an old rich white male, buying off politicians and engaging in corrupt behavior. He's very much representative of the "establishment" people say they hate. The only thing that makes him stand out at the moment is that he has zero verbal filter. Some people think that's actually something to be proud of, but that shit isn't going to fly anywhere.
We're still well within the clown-shoes part of the GOP primaries. It's always a circus, and this election cycle is no different. People thinking Trump is a serious contender aren't thinking this through. The man still has no record, no experience, no platform, is corrupt as fuck, and flings shit for the sake of attention. He's every bit as unelectable as he was the day he waddled down his escalator to vomit some crap about Mexicans.
He's already begun the hunt, right now Trump is just stalking his prey. He is waiting for the right time to strike out and devour her soul.
This cycle makes no sense as a whole, I really do think we're witnessing the deal of the GOP as we know it.
Pretty sure there has to be. The VP is the President of the Senate, 2nd in line for the presidency. It's in the constitution.
That's a pretty ridiculous comparison.
Thequietone
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That quiz was made before the debate. He said he was no longer in favor of those liberal ideas, and he has changed his mind. He is most likely lying, but that is what he said.
sneakydomo
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41 percent of the vote is going to people who have never held a public office of note, Trump, Carson and Fiorina. What these polls show is that many Americans are so fed up with an obviously broken system that they would rather have unqualified people in office than the same old politicians. I understand the feeling.
Duane Cunningham
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Dayamn. Touche.
It doesn't matter who the president is. As long as my paycheck keeps coming every other Friday I couldn't care less. If Trump gets the Republican nomination I am 100% voting for him for the lulz.
Rubio's remarkably overdrawn plan to ban all abortion even in the case of rape, incest, mother's life at stake, etc. will be quite detrimental to his ability to capture the crucial women's vote in a general election and will make for quite an effective attack ad against him - his comments about Hilary's superior qualifications are also easy to turn against him.
PeskyToaster
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Anyone listen to Dan Carlin's latest Common Sense on Trump?
IAmRandom31
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What do you guys think about the tax change ideas being thrown about in the debate?
There was the flat tax on consumables
The 10% " tithe " tax idea
I believe another was the proportional tax rate. You make more, you are taxed more, you make less, you are taxed less ( which is how it is now really yeah? )
I'm trying to think of which I liked the most. If any at all. I kind of liked the tax on consumables idea as then you would get tax money from really everyone, including illegals and such. So that could potentially be a pretty good way of bringing in additional income.
I don't think I really have an issue with the current tax system besides Social Security. I have no faith that 30+ years from now when I'm of age to start receiving SS that it will even be around anymore, so I'd rather that be a choice rather then mandatory.
There was the flat tax on consumables
The 10% " tithe " tax idea
I believe another was the proportional tax rate. You make more, you are taxed more, you make less, you are taxed less ( which is how it is now really yeah? )
I'm trying to think of which I liked the most. If any at all. I kind of liked the tax on consumables idea as then you would get tax money from really everyone, including illegals and such. So that could potentially be a pretty good way of bringing in additional income.
I don't think I really have an issue with the current tax system besides Social Security. I have no faith that 30+ years from now when I'm of age to start receiving SS that it will even be around anymore, so I'd rather that be a choice rather then mandatory.
Scott32020
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New Morning Consult national poll shows Trump up 7 points on the week to 32% after the debate/Megyn Kelly comments.
http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/
http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/
Duane Cunningham
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In all likelihood, yes. He'll basically be a cross between these three fictional presidents:
HUELEN10
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We're already the Buy 'N Large country though.In all likelihood, yes. He'll basically be a cross between these three fictional presidents:
We have a progressive tax system where rich people are taxed a higher %. Proportional would mean people are all taxed the same % which would lead to people that have higher incomes being taxed more total dollars but not at a higher rate like they are now.
Never even heard of Morning Consult
Rabbi_Vole
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How so?
Bam Bam Baklava
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They're a meh polling firm but regardless of how they compare to others, you can see movement in his numbers in relation to their own previous polls. That shows serious momentum.
You don't flip most of your views within 2 years. He's lying and the Republican masses who aren't rich will praise him as their version of Jesus.
If he plays his cards right he can get votes from a minority of democrats as well and push him over the edge.
They aren't interested in a horrible politician. They want someone to stand up for them against their enemies, the liberals, minorities, muslims, and the establishment GOP who have done nothing for them at getting control of the Presidency.
Isn't that what America basically decided in 2008 as well? Obama was barely a pup in national politics when he ran and won the presidency. He was one of the furthest away from establishment candidates that were there while still seemingly having a decent amount of qualification for the job.
Rabbi_Vole
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That won't do him any good against HillaryOne could say he smells blood in the water...
Sho_Nuff82
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You're arguing that nothing has changed re: our involvement in Iraq since 2007 when I posted numbers showing that this is blatantly untrue. We still have a presence there, yes, mostly to put out fires that we started and to put down a terrorist group we empowered when we actually went to war against the people of Iraq.
Factually, if John McCain had been elected, we'd still have 150k plus troops over there today. He guaranteed it. Both sides have never been the same.
As a non US resident, i find all things Trump related fascinating, and it looks there's nothing but greatness in the way as he won't step down if he loses the primary.
You can say whatever about him, but boy does he knows how to hype an audience or what.
He's also an egomaniacal and might be doing all this only for himself, but in order to do so he needs to truly "make america great again" first, and he's not a moron, if anything, he is already aware of what must be done to reach higher than anyone, and at the moment, he's been getting extremely good results with his antics.
The fact he has totally pissed Fox News is a strong enough sign of his strenght.
You can say whatever about him, but boy does he knows how to hype an audience or what.
He's also an egomaniacal and might be doing all this only for himself, but in order to do so he needs to truly "make america great again" first, and he's not a moron, if anything, he is already aware of what must be done to reach higher than anyone, and at the moment, he's been getting extremely good results with his antics.
The fact he has totally pissed Fox News is a strong enough sign of his strenght.
Duane Cunningham
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Not really. Obama first became noted nationally during the 2004 DNC keynote. While his political career wasn't very well known to the general public in 2008, he was noted by the Democratic establishment. Clinton may have been their preferred candidate, but Obama was a perfectly acceptable alternative.
Trump is in a very different position since the Republican establishment doesn't like him at all, and they've been trying to bring him down. Their inability to do so is creating a rift in the party the likes of which haven't been seen for a long time. The beauty of all of this is that there are plenty of avenues for attacking Trump and his positions, but all of these only work with non-Republicans, and so they've been ineffective so far.
The thing I love the most about the Trump candidacy is how the media is completely unable to understand why he is leading the polls. With every xenophobic, misogynistic statement the members of the press think this has to be the remark that ends his chances, when in reality they are the reason he continues to surge. I find it incredible how much you have to be caught up in mainstream thinking in order to advise Trump before the debate to tone it down and adopt a more mellow, "presidential" style. It's always astonishing to see how people (even smart ones) just can't see outside the bubble they live and work in.
speculawyer
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There really is a wrestling gif for everything.
It never does :lol
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Voysa Reezun
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Nah, Walker's ground game in Iowa means he's winning there unless the fundies all rise up for Huckabee en masse like in 2008.
I don't know who is winning NH, but I give Bush the best odds as the closest approximation to an old school New England Republican (that actually has a chance) in this race.
It's his creepy smile that turns me off. Every time he makes a joke or a little quip he has this strange smile like he knows he's the shit. It's just weird.
The "fundies" are backing Trump right now, as are moderates, men and women in Iowa.
ebullientprism
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This could be your president. Imagine. Why arent you all voting for him FFS!
He could be doing that to Kim Jong Un. America pls!
Just did on the way to work. It was pretty great.
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Enough is Enough- no more Bushes! https://instagram.com/p/6NbVyEmhdB/
Enough is Enough- no more Bushes! https://instagram.com/p/6NbVyEmhdB/
Prototype Viktor
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They hating on Graham and his confirmed bachelorness. They don't want him taking thier "women"
speculawyer
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He is like a fucking wrecking ball that the GOP never saw coming.
He really gives no fucks about the state of the GOP whatsoever. Everyone running in this primary will be radioactive by the time he's done with them.
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