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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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Golden Darkness
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Hmmm.... all the characters have their four moves and final smash as part of their profiles (not as in a seperate update dedicated to itself)
Mockingbird
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TSA said:
Gaahhh! Unless Sakurai translated it into English himself, the Japanese Dojo entry makes no mention of what sex Sheik is. Not that I'm arguing FOR Sheik being a guy.
SuperAngelo64
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Golden Darkness said:
Shiek has boobs now.
Smash Bros. version of Taki.
Big Icarus
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traveler said:
More like Captain, Luigi, and Jigglypuff. That's a definite.
Epicus.Furor
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Golden Darkness said:
true :O
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Jiggy37 said:
Of course you're on it, Jiggy. You, TreIII, and I are pratically founding members.
Not that I think Kirby Super Star necessarily needs a Defense Force, but any organization that promotes KSS's general awesomeness is fine by me.
TreIII said:
I just love Kirby Super Star.
Big Icarus said:
More like the Captain, Jigglypuff, and Ness.
Sheik/Zelda is my least played character according to my Melee game stats, and when I do use her I usually stick to Zelda and just spam her fair. Not that I dislike Sheik, not in the least -- I'm just really bad at using her for some reason. Glad to have her back though, and like others have mentioned that's a really slick character model. Well done, team Smash. The scans in that other thread did not at all do her justice.
And of course when it comes out for the Virtual Console as well. Support Sakurai's genius! :0)Jiggy37 said:I have nothing to add. This is basically all totally right on and true and is the reason that every single Smash Bros. fan should buy Kirby Ultra Super Deluxe when it's released on DS.
MindCollizion
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Mockingbird said:
Spanish update has no mention of sex either...
TSA said:
While I don't always see eye to eye with you, TSA, I must say that it's good to know you've been on my side during the troubling "ZELDA TRANSFORMS INTO A GUY!!!" years of weirdo fandom.
I had an odd experience at E for All when chatting with a lass clad in Zelda t-shirts, buttons, pins, stickers, a cap, and the like... it all started when she said "So, do you think Sheik is a guy or a girl?"
HylianScribe
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Mockingbird said:
They use the gender-specific term "her" when referring to Sheik in the English update. I do not know if the Japanese text has any gender connotation or clarification...
Countdown to first Cosplay of her...
GhettoGamer
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CreatureX3 said:
Oh Sakurai. You and your awesome pics.
Im digging Link's expression:lol
JohnTinker
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Zero Suit Samus's Special Moves
Standard Special Move Paralyzer
Side Special Move Plasma Whip
Up Special Move Plasma Wire
Down Special Move Flip Jump
Final Smash Power Suit Samus
Standard Special Move Paralyzer
Side Special Move Plasma Whip
Up Special Move Plasma Wire
Down Special Move Flip Jump
Final Smash Power Suit Samus
SuperAngelo64
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Maybe it's just me.. but have the characters always had their special moves listed under their profile like that?
I just went and checked the rest of the character profiles, they all do now.
Even characters like Wario who hasn't had a few of his shown on the Dojo.
I just went and checked the rest of the character profiles, they all do now.
Even characters like Wario who hasn't had a few of his shown on the Dojo.
Big Icarus
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Zelda's character page is also updated with a listing of her special moves and final smash now too. And I never noticed that Zelda had such broad shoulders for a chick before.
Epicus.Furor
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Crushed said:
and we know what happens then
Mockingbird
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jman2050 said:
No, because of that you can't use it as material to end the debate. You can use the pictures and point out that the chick has no dick but you can't use the translation of some guy/girl Nintendo paid to translate material for the site. He/she used visual cues (the images on the site) to add the her to the sentence - not any sort of fact from a document or creator.
WastingPenguins
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The way I figure it, official, undebatable canon is that Sheik is a chick, just like Birdo is now officially a girl. It doesn't matter what you thought before-- boobs ahoy!
(Yes of course there's no telling the intent of the original character designer from this, but I'm saying that no longer matters. And if you think it's THAT weird for a Japanese game designer to make a princess who transforms and grows a dick you obviously haven't watched much anime.)
(Yes of course there's no telling the intent of the original character designer from this, but I'm saying that no longer matters. And if you think it's THAT weird for a Japanese game designer to make a princess who transforms and grows a dick you obviously haven't watched much anime.)
jman2050 said:
If they wanted to be more explicit about it, they would have. It ain't that difficult to sneak in a detail like that. They (the Japanese side) really just doesn't care about this argument as much as the West seemingly does.
After all, this is the same country that made it so that a series like Sailor Moon lasted as long as it did, and it was ripe with such things like men transforming into women, among other things. :lol
I'd think not.
If you choose to be in the camp that supports Ness (like I do), you can't use the English translation of the Japanese quote as a bar-none basis for a complete and utter "case closed" on the matter.
WastingPenguins said:
...And Birdo/Catherine is STILL a guy, at least, if we go by the Japanese side of the equation.
After all, in Mario Kart: DD, her profile in the JP version basically read as follows:
"Appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend...or should that be boyfriend...!?"
Nintendo is just FULL of tranny surprises! :lol
CreatureX3
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I can't stand people who still refer to Sheik as a "he".TSA said:
Big Icarus
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Olimar probably gets in his ship and flies upward in it. Blasting opponents with the exhaust. Just like how he had to fly away from the planets surface at the end of each day in Pikmin.
I think the listing of the special moves might mean that they're going to start showing off more characters and aren't going to spread everything about them out over 3 updates. Also, anyone else find it ironic that Sheik has a dagger but can't use it because of Sakurai's ban on realistic weapons?
Just to add to the Sheik gender debate here:
For the record I should state that I've always considered Sheik to be a female, and nothing I've seen or read here has altered that perception.
It has been a little while and my French is a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure that there would be need be an e at the end of 'modélisé' (so modélisée) to denote the noun (that being Sheik) as feminine. It has to do with the rule with 'avoir' past-tense, where you have to make the accord with the gender of the noun if the COD comes before the verb, in this case l' comes before avons modélisé. So while it doesn't specifically say 'she' (it would be 'elle' in French), the verb spelling does suggest that the French translator assumed that Sheik was a guy. Perhaps other Canadian/French gaffers can correct me on this one if I'm missing anything here.
For the record I should state that I've always considered Sheik to be a female, and nothing I've seen or read here has altered that perception.
MindCollizion
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LISTEN TO THIS MAN SAKURAI!Crushed said:
it'll be hilarious!
Rentahamster
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Nice update, good to see this character in. Didn't play as her much at all in Melee, but I sure got a pretty good challenge from opponents who did use her.
Why is there even a debate about Sheik's sex?
Why is there even a debate about Sheik's sex?
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TreIII said:After all, in Mario Kart: DD, her profile in the JP version basically read as follows:
"Appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend...or should that be boyfriend...!?"
Nintendo is just FULL of tranny surprises! :lol
So does this mean that Yoshi is...uh, never mind. I'm not even touching that one.
And the special move lists in the character profiles are interesting, even if they look kind of tacked on. Nothing really surprising, though.
Sonic's neutral B is the Homing Attack. Hopefully it doesn't toss me into bottomless pits as often it does in the actual 3D Sonic games.
I'm also a bit curious as to why most of Lucas' (and Ness', for that matter) use "PK" as the prefix to most of their special attacks, yet use the American prefix "PSI" for their Magnet attack. Just arbitrary?
TreIII said:If they wanted to be more explicit about it, they would have. It ain't that difficult to sneak in a detail like that. They (the Japanese side) really just doesn't care about this argument as much as the West seemingly does.
After all, this is the same country that made it so that a series like Sailor Moon lasted as long as it did, and it was ripe with such things like men transforming into women, among other things. :lol
I'd think not.
If you choose to be in the camp that supports Ness (like I do), you can't use the English translation of the Japanese quote as a bar-none basis for a complete and utter "case closed" on the matter.
...And Birdo/Catherine is STILL a guy, at least, if we go by the Japanese side of the equation.
After all, in Mario Kart: DD, her profile in the JP version basically read as follows:
"Appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend...or should that be boyfriend...!?"
Nintendo is just FULL of tranny surprises! :lol
I'm no expert in Japanese of course, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a Japanese speaker would go out of their way to confirm gender if it's strongly implied, as it is in Sheik's case. That seems to indicate that Nintendo always intended her to be female from the start.
And of course, people will believe what they want to believe, so my latter statement is meant to exclude those people.
grandjedi6
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I guess this means no more Final Smash/Special move updates?
HylianScribe
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GhettoGamer
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Well unless Shiggy comes out and and specify which gender Shiek is, we can only assume. I mean its not like Smash is acutal canon to the character prespective game.
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Wait a minute...Fox and Donkey Kong have no special moves or Final Smashes in their profiles...
Okay, granted, we know it all already, but it's still odd.
Okay, granted, we know it all already, but it's still odd.
CreatureX3
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Did it ever say Sheik was a guy in Ocarina of Time?
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