Alex Stroud
Banned
Fingers crossed that this dungeon is the gold standard for design, gameplay and gravitas in the Zelda series, and that no one without a Wolf Link Amiibo will ever be able to experience it.
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Amiibo Wolf Link to unlock a new dungeon in Twilight Princess HD ?
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Zen_Arcade
Banned
The vast majority of people who are collecting Amiibo would still be collecting them if they didn't lock content behind them. They don't need any of that to get people to buy the product. They should just get rid of that aspect of it. Or at the very least put it up like normal DLC as well.
Also, he's obviously talking about the people complaining about Amiibo if you just follow the context of the conversation.
JumpCancel
Banned
Finally. This kind of "locked" content is usually designed as part of the main game, removed and marketed as DLC when it was originally intended for the game from the start.
If this was or will be the case here, then I'll be disappointing in Nintendo. This shouldn't be the case. Some people just love making mountains out of Amiibo hills.
Fate/Cipher
Member
But I'm not complaining. I'm trying to give you advice. It may or may not help you. Judging on your sarcastic tone, I doubt it will, so at least try to make the most of being upset about things you don't have to be upset about and have a blessed day!
Do you concede that ''being negative on a message board'' can lead to positive things? If you do, then surely you must understand why people are complaining in this thread instead of retreating to their happy places. If you don't, well, you're just in denial and I suggest you take a step back and open your eyes (and mind) a bit.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Given that the content was probably developed for the amiibo specifically i dont care.
I have one issue. Amiibos are too rare so it means many people dont even have the option to access content for a reasonable price.
I have one issue. Amiibos are too rare so it means many people dont even have the option to access content for a reasonable price.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Are they still rare? Here in the UK you can walk into a store and see pretty much all of them. Nintendo UK Store and Amazon have most of them too.
I wish I could go back a few years and take this post me.
"this is how nintendo fans will react to an additional zelda dungeon on the disc being locked behind a paywall in 2016"
DanWensing
Banned
This is great!!!
I've already pre-ordered my special edition at Amazon!! =D
I've already pre-ordered my special edition at Amazon!! =D
Dr. Black Jack
Member
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There isn't even a SKU without the amiibo up for preorder, in NA at least. There is literally no way to purchase the game without the amiibo. What's the issue?
KojiKnight
Member
Digital...
I'm using hyperbole to try to point out how ridiculous your stance is.
If this was the only thing being added, you might have a point. If Twilight Princess didn't have a lot of dungeons, you might have a point. If this was something absolutely essential to the game, you might have a point. If this was something that was intentionally taken out to sell as DLC, you might have a point.
If you want the new dungeon, buy the amiibo. It's really just that simple.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
That's what people get for being a dumbass and buying digital then.
Not to mention that this isn't even an official announcement so we don't have any details for it yet. Digital buyers could have the dungeon included for all we know.
Shuggananas
Banned
So you'd be fine if the next zelda has epona behind an amiibo unlock right
Doctor Decimate
Member
The complaints about Amiibo functionality being minimal have always baffled me because that seems like exactly the way to do it if you're expecting people to track down these toys just to get some extra content. If they're not gonna offer a cheaper, downloadable alternative, stuff like silly costumes is exactly what they should be doing. The toy needs to be the main attraction and not the content it unlocks.
I do think they should offer a cheaper download for people who don't want Amiibo/can't get them if they're going to go with more significant content; it might affect sales a bit, but I'd argue that it's a little horrible to incentivize people to buy toys for game content to begin with. The people buying it for the toys are still gonna buy the toys, and I'd bet that many Amiibos are still gonna sell out because of those people.
All that said, we don't really know what the Twilight Princess dungeon will be, so this is a more general Amiibo statement I guess.
I do think they should offer a cheaper download for people who don't want Amiibo/can't get them if they're going to go with more significant content; it might affect sales a bit, but I'd argue that it's a little horrible to incentivize people to buy toys for game content to begin with. The people buying it for the toys are still gonna buy the toys, and I'd bet that many Amiibos are still gonna sell out because of those people.
All that said, we don't really know what the Twilight Princess dungeon will be, so this is a more general Amiibo statement I guess.
Tesseract
Banned
really dude, is that sensible in 2016
Yup. Cause we've already seen that Link is riding a horse as part of the core gameplay mechanics, so I don't particularly care if the OOT horse shows up. In fact, I don't think we've had a single trailer or gameplay video where Link has been off his horse.
GhostTrick
Banned
Thanks, I appreciate but I also believe that complaining about terrible practices is something that people should be more vocal about.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
What, the "wait for more details before freaking out" part or the "digital is the worst way to purchase games" part? Both are still true in 2016.
Sounds awful. Don't want to buy some pointless shit to unlock digital content. No way it would be an actually fleshed out, classic Zelda dungeon, though, so I don't mind. Probably just a little goodie.
This. More dungeons is what TP needs the least. It needs other kind of content. Imo this also goes for WW.
This. More dungeons is what TP needs the least. It needs other kind of content. Imo this also goes for WW.
SolidSnakex
Member
It's on disc DLC, which is one of the most despised practices in gaming. Many companies have been criticized heavily when it's revealed that they're doing that. Now if this is true Nintendo is basically celebrating the practice and being arrogant about it. Not only do they have on disc DLC, but you need a $10-15 toy to unlock it. So you might not even be able to gain access to it unlock other forms of DLC.
This form of DLC is the absolute worst and scummiest around. But it's something you could see coming from a mile away given the success of Amiibo's. They'd be just as successful even without the DLC because of how much people love Nintendo characters. But instead Nintendo is going to go down this route of heavily criticized practices.
Doctor Decimate
Member
I think there's a pretty decent argument to be made that any and all new content is the main attraction for a remaster/rerelease/whatever they're calling this.
Of course, if this is like three rooms in the Cave of Ordeals then we're all going to look very silly.
So the game comes with an extra dungeon that will be unlocked by the Amiibo that is bundled with the game. A bundle that has been coming back in stock almost every week since it was announced. And an Amiibo that not only looks cool, but works as DLc for more than one game. So what's the outrage here.
I hate how people keep making the same Amiibo bashing threads even though we knew what they were since before they released and to complain for this game that come in a bundle with said Amiibo for the same low price as the game without it( a version that doesn't exist except digital). People just want to bitch about anything.
So you don't want to buy the game that comes standard with the Amiibo that unlocks the dungeon? You just want to complain then?
I hate how people keep making the same Amiibo bashing threads even though we knew what they were since before they released and to complain for this game that come in a bundle with said Amiibo for the same low price as the game without it( a version that doesn't exist except digital). People just want to bitch about anything.
So you don't want to buy the game that comes standard with the Amiibo that unlocks the dungeon? You just want to complain then?
This is interesting, considering they never added new content to Wind Waker HD on this scale (new islands, dungeons, ect), so them doing this for Twilight Princess HD is cool 
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I wonder why they thought locking it behind amiibo was a good idea though, as they should of known people would be upset by this move. Then again, amiibo help sell games and even if the support is half-hearted at best, it will push games (Chibi-Robo 3DS must have solid better with the amiibo).
I'm not upset by this move (as I don't own a Wii U to get the game for starters) but I hope Nintendo makes an amiibo focused game in the future, that way we can see how cool the figures could be when used in a creative way, instead of being physical unlock keys for small content in a few titles.
. I wonder why they thought locking it behind amiibo was a good idea though, as they should of known people would be upset by this move. Then again, amiibo help sell games and even if the support is half-hearted at best, it will push games (Chibi-Robo 3DS must have solid better with the amiibo).
I'm not upset by this move (as I don't own a Wii U to get the game for starters) but I hope Nintendo makes an amiibo focused game in the future, that way we can see how cool the figures could be when used in a creative way, instead of being physical unlock keys for small content in a few titles.
Lights and Waves
Member
This is awesome tbh! I love collecting amiibo and I wish they had more content to unlock - this is going to be good.
I'm going to guess it's a Spelunky type of gauntlet dungeon, 5 to 10 rooms with different sets of enemies each time.
It's not DLC. It's not downloadable. It's a key in the form of a toy. You can borrow this toy from someone else, or sell your toy when you're done with it. (If you really really want this tiny extra functionality to the game.)
Nintendo has been a toy company for more than 100 years. Who would have thought that they would create and try to sell more toys?
Doctor Decimate
Member
I have been wondering if the term "dungeon" is rather optimistic for what this will realistically be. Might still be a slippery slope, though.
The outrage is because people don't want to buy plastic crap to unlock DLC. All Nintendo has to do is sell the DLC separately on the eShop but if they do that they can no longer hide that it's day 1 on disc DLC.
ITT you learn that the USA =/= world; the Amiibo bundle is a limited edition in EU and Japan and the standard edition comes with the game only.
I also love how you just dismiss the digital version.
SolidSnakex
Member
You can buy this game and you won't have access to it until you obtain this toy. That's on disc DLC. It's just being handled differently. It's the exact same bullshit as those horrendous toys to life concepts. Just because you get some cheap piece of plastic doesn't change it from being a way to hold back content that's already on the disc until you buy something extra.
And since when have dungeons in a Zelda games become "tiny extra functionality"? That's like someone saying that a track in a racing game is tiny extra functionality.
Stone Ocean
Member
Are you even reading my posts? I'm not asking for the content for free holy shit. I just don't want it tied exclusively to a fucking piece of plastic I might not be able to get, that's my bloody point, not that the game should come with the dungeon out of the gate at no extra cost, just make sure everyone can buy the content. I'm not complaining the DLC exists but that without the amiibo you can't buy it anywhere else.
Forearm Star
Member
Glad I preordered this last night.
Damn amigos are addicting (Awesome autocorrect)
Damn amigos are addicting (Awesome autocorrect)
evilromero
Member
Sweet! Glad I reserved the bundle. My hype is finally rising with the news of this and the small tweaks to the pacing.
pinkurocket
Member
"The data recorded on this Amiibo can even be transfered to the next episode on Wii U."
Talking about Zelda U?
Talking about Zelda U?
Shuggananas
Banned
triforce heroes 2 may be out before zelda U so it could be this too
Linkstrikesback
Member
Yes it is. That was mentioned in the direct.
The only physical version of the game available that I've seen is the version that comes with the figure. That version is at the same reduced 'Remaster' cost that Nintendo usually does. I really don't get the outrage here. Just get the game that comes with the figure standard, scan it then throw it away.
You just want to be outraged, if not why accuse them of hiding day 1 DLC. And yes I forgot about the digital version because the amiibo is not digital. Even so stop reaching conlcusion and stupid outrage over one unexplained sentence about an extra dungeon. There will most likely be other ways to get it.
Inferno313
Banned
If people didn't want Amiibo, then why is it already out of stock?
You still aren't getting it since I never said nor implied that you were.
If you want the dungeon, suck it up, deal with the "stupid method" and get the amiibo. It's still that simple.
I am a stakeholder of Nintendo, I have a Wii U and I think content behind Amiibo are shitty practices.
But I guess I should be thankful to people who are defending it for my self-interest lol. Not that it would matters much because I value the IPs of Nintendo more than this sideline business.
Cause Nintendo sent out limited stock, obviously. And if they didn't send out enough stock then it's all parents buying them for their kids. And if that's not true then uh....well give me a few more minutes to think of another excuse.
Evil's Bane
Member
I wish I didn't have to buy some stupid toy to experience the new content.
When the price was reveal I was pretty happy about not having to pay full price for the remake unlike WWHD. I guess it's because I'll be fucked out of new content if I do.
Nintendo really has been basically getting away with on disc DLC with this amiibo thing. It's just been minor shit before now so I didn't care. This and Co op in Shovel Knight are inexcusable though
When the price was reveal I was pretty happy about not having to pay full price for the remake unlike WWHD. I guess it's because I'll be fucked out of new content if I do.
Nintendo really has been basically getting away with on disc DLC with this amiibo thing. It's just been minor shit before now so I didn't care. This and Co op in Shovel Knight are inexcusable though
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Thats some bullshit for people who go digital only. Why is Nintendo hiding content behind amibos? I haven't bought one of those damn things. They are bought more as a collectors thing anyway.