Bloodporne
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Asking him his opinion on social issues would be like asking Lil Wayne about quantum physics.
I'm in tears over this somehow...
Asking him his opinion on social issues would be like asking Lil Wayne about quantum physics.
Embarrassing. Fucking embarrassing.
Honestly, I found this article a bit of a relief. Facebook isn't ignoring Luckey's actions, they're just not talking about it to the general public. Things are being done to correct the massive wave of Stupid that Luckey unleashed on them, but it's happening in-company and with developers. Facebook's public lack of communication is badly handled, sure, but actions like this don't happen if a large part of the company isn't taking things seriously.
Also, Facebook really needs to work on its PR.
The article certainly tried to paint this picture. Actually jumping to such a conclusion based on no first-hand knowledge of the man is a harmful thing to do, and casting such aspersions on him because he is a "white programmer" is... Look, just please keep more of an open mind.
It's alarming to me how many folks here and elsewhere are only coming to stories about Oculus looking for reasons to hate everyone at the company. There are dozens of brilliant, wonderful people over there trying to solve difficult problems with products, services, and yes, internal culture. When you are only interested in these problems insofar as you can shit all over the people trying to solve them, then you may be amusing yourself, but do not pretend that you are helping anyone.
No I mean the fact they won't do anything is a statement.
You need to cite some examples before calling someone "borderline sociopathic."Carmack is the definition of STEM thinking. He's very focused on the development of technology and has barely enough soft skills to communicate that focus. He's been known and even admits that he lacks empathy and connection to other human beings. He's borderline sociopathic in that sense.
Asking him his opinion on social issues would be like asking Lil Wayne about quantum physics.
And just about everyone gave a favorable review of the lunch, though some were confused as to why Luckey wasn’t mentioned at all.
Something similar happened when I tried to ask Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe about Palmer. I...I cant, Iribe told me. I have to go find my mom, sorry.
Sure, mate.The article certainly tried to paint this picture. Actually jumping to such a conclusion based on no first-hand knowledge of the man is a harmful thing to do, and casting such aspersions on him because he is a "white programmer" is... Look, just please keep more of an open mind.
It's alarming to me how many folks here and elsewhere are only coming to stories about Oculus looking for reasons to hate everyone at the company. There are dozens of brilliant, wonderful people over there trying to solve difficult problems with products, services, and yes, internal culture. When you are only interested in these problems insofar as you can shit all over the people trying to solve them, then you may be amusing yourself, but do not pretend that you are helping anyone.
Not when people like Rubin and Iribe have decided to stand with himThis is sad. Even if you don't like or agree with Palmer, it is illogical to take it out on entire company.
Sure, mate.
Except Oculus' leadership has no problem enabling one of their own who donates to racist, white nationalist organizations. That's massive, whether you like it or not - and you are deliberately choosing to ignore the numerous posts on this subject that go into detail on their concern for those brilliant, wonderful people
who may be African-American
who may be Asian
who may be Mexican
who may be LGBTQ
working at a company for a person who they now know without a shadow of a doubt holds them and their lives in contempt.
Under a corporate leadership group that is spineless at best, complicit at worst.
tl;dr - keep handwaving, you're not fooling anyone.
This is sad. Even if you don't like or agree with Palmer, it is illogical to take it out on entire company. The point of views held here are pretty heavy handed. People are free to hate whomever they want but I am simply not on the train to take down the entire company for the actions of palmer. I didn't buy a rift to support palmer, just the tech.
Of course they want to pretend like it never happened. Winning the VR race is their top priority.
Not when people like Rubin and Iribe have decided to stand with him
We are talking about a corporate move to simply not even approach or accept the issues in favour of just upping their "diversity" programs and quietly taking people aside to try and get them back on board while still not publicly doing so, and the employees seemingly happy to play along. If people feel that is now representative of the company's approach to what is going on - yeah they can justifiably dislike the company.
He's 24 years old, well past the age of majority. Yet another example when adult white males are referred to as kids to minimize their wrongdoings, well done.They aren't "working for" Palmer. His role is "founder" and he's a kid, I doubt he's making hiring and firing decisions. They work for Iribe and for Clinton supporter Mark Zuckerberg.
Palmer is an idiot though many of the statements here about him are exaggerated. It's interesting how his single donation to Nimble America, a group who made one billboard attacking Hillary with a meme, becomes "donates to racist, white nationalist organizations" in the retelling. I noticed multiple posts in this topic suggesting Palmer donated to "groups". Unless anything new came out after the original articles and news story, that's simply not true (just the one $10k donation to Nimble and a failed attempt to solicit funds for them from thedonald users) but has been repeated so much people believe it.
I suspect oculus is just going to hunker down and hope people stop caring once Trump loses the election and the political season ends.
He's 24 years old, well past the age of majority. Yet another example when adult white males are referred to as kids to minimize their wrongdoings, well done.
He was the major figure behind Oculus. He benefits financially from the work of their employees, both pre- and post-buyout.
Nimble America is cut whole cloth from Milo Yiannopoulos. You may know him from heavily promoting Gamergate, whipping up a racist mob against Leslie Jones for the crime of being black and in a movie, and other such nonsense. So either you didn't know all of this and are commenting on something you know nothing about, or you did know, and just don't care.
Have you seen what they've said? Silence would be one thing but this:Again if this is contractual what can they say other than "they can't say anything?" Not saying anything doesn't mean agreeing or disagreeing.
Iribe said:I want to respond to the recent press stories involving Palmer. I know that Palmer is deeply sorry for the impact this situation is having on the company, our partners and the industry.
Everyone at Oculus is free to support the issues or causes that matter to them, whether or not we agree with those views. It is important to remember that Palmer acted independently in a personal capacity, and was in no way representing the company.
Rubin said:I wanted to give Palmer Freeman Luckey a chance to respond before I said anything, and having read his post, I take him at his word. Those of you who have known me before I joined Oculus know that I would not work in a place that I thought condoned, or spread hate. Nor would I remain silent if I saw it raise its head. I have always believed that games, and now especially VR, have the potential to bring people together. My view is unwavering. I continue to believe that Oculus can make the world a better place.
People in their early 20s are commonly referred to as kids. That's true regardless of whether you're a white or a male. Are you claiming that Palmer has a management position in oculus? I haven't seen evidence based statements for that, but I could be wrong. Feel free to link if you're right - my understanding is his title is "founder" and he's basically been sidelined since his habits of making exaggerated comments on Reddit related to oculus, not politics, had already made people mad.He's 24 years old, well past the age of majority. Yet another example when adult white males are referred to as kids to minimize their wrongdoings, well done.
He was the major figure behind Oculus. He benefits financially from the work of their employees, both pre- and post-buyout.
Nimble America is cut whole cloth from Milo Yiannopoulos. You may know him from heavily promoting Gamergate, whipping up a racist mob against Leslie Jones for the crime of being black and in a movie, and other such nonsense. So either you didn't know all of this and are commenting on something you know nothing about, or you did know, and just don't care.
What's the point of the thread if it's just gonna be a line of people repeating the same things?-Prosecuting him for being a Trump supporter and/or Libertarian.
-All companies are like this so don't even bother trying when this sort of thing goes public.
-There are good people at Oculus even though other prominent members have gone public supporting Luckey.
-He's just a boy!
Another round of this shit again? The guy has literally done nothing to deserve any benefit of doubt, or any reason for anyone to defend him or those who support him. And still, every thread, there will be people falling over themselves to do so.
Again, How do you know if they simply cannot do anything about it?
Have you seen what they've said? Silence would be one thing but this:
And this
Is not nothing
He's 24 years old, well past the age of majority. Yet another example when adult white males are referred to as kids to minimize their wrongdoings, well done.
He was the major figure behind Oculus. He benefits financially from the work of their employees, both pre- and post-buyout.
Nimble America is cut whole cloth from Milo Yiannopoulos. You may know him from heavily promoting Gamergate, whipping up a racist mob against Leslie Jones for the crime of being black and in a movie, and other such nonsense. So either you didn't know all of this and are commenting on something you know nothing about, or you did know, and just don't care.
Wherever you go you're gonna find people who look askance at firing someone from their job for a legal political donation. That's why in many states, including California, it's illegal to discriminate against or fire employees for their political views. Yes, Palmer has $900million and it wouldn't hurt him to leave oculus, but people get worried the principle might start migrating down and normal employees might be subject to the same discrimination.
-There are good people at Oculus even though other prominent members have gone public supporting Luckey.
Have they really publicly supported Luckey? Just because they haven't publicly condemned him doesn't mean that they support him.
Someone clearly doesn't know how black males are "aged up".People in their early 20s are commonly referred to as kids. That's true regardless of whether you're a white or a male.
So you're mad at something other than the $10k to Nimble America, a legal donation to a legal political organization created to promote Trump, a major political party's presidential candidate? Yes, Trump is terrible and is promoting awful views, but that doesn't make his donation illegal.You're right. It would be a terrible precedent to fire someone for "legal political donations."
Good thing that isn't what this is about no matter how many people like yourself come around and try to suggest it.
If these people were "bad asses", they would speak up against Luckey or leave the company instead of being associated with a racist who empowers racist causes with his Oculus money and also happens to be the public face of the company a person that represents these "bad asses" to the public.
The post immediately following mine has their statements.
They've already missed the boat on this one, a "diversity luncheon" isn't going to obscure the fact that Luckey is a piece of racist garbage and that Facebook and Oculus will continue to support him.
What people think is the problem is they assume that since one of the main guys involved is a horrible person (Milo Yiannopoulos), then the entire organization must be horrible, and anybody who associates with it in any way must be fully aware of all this and thus be horrible as well.Can somebody also explain to me that what is the problem with Nimble America?
CEO needs mom
Fair enough, although I don't see how those make Iribe and Rubin not "good people". It's not like they have given any indication that they share the same views with Luckey or anything.
Can somebody also explain to me that what is the problem with Nimble America? Sure, it sounds like a shitty organization but from what I understand the only thing they have done is a single billboard with a photo of Clinton and text "Too big to jail". And, I mean, that's not in a very good taste but hardly seems like a big deal. The post that Luckey posted as NimbleRichMan to reddit also doesn't seem to be overly controversial either, just a typical pro-Trump, anti-Hillary supporter that you see everywhere. No racist remarks or anything. Am I missing something or why exactly are people so disgusted with Luckey?
What people think is the problem is they assume that since one of the main guys involved is a horrible person (Milo Yiannopoulos), then the entire organization must be horrible, and anybody who associates with it in any way must be fully aware of all this and thus be horrible as well.
Carmack has a PR handler now?
that's not surprising considering what he's said before
Expecting someone to drop their livelihood and potentially the way they provide for their families due to this is absurd tbh
He's racist himself now? What racist action or statement has he done/made?
What people think is the problem is they assume that since one of the main guys involved is a horrible person (Milo Yiannopoulos), then the entire organization must be horrible, and anybody who associates with it in any way must be fully aware of all this and thus be horrible as well.
What people think is the problem is they assume that since one of the main guys involved is a horrible person (Milo Yiannopoulos), then the entire organization must be horrible, and anybody who associates with it in any way must be fully aware of all this and thus be horrible as well.