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1Up LAN Party Podcast 12/3/08 (featuring Chuff Love's Gamestop Girl)
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after actually listening to this my hope for the future of this pc podcast is fading. I don't know what it is. I wish they would stop trying to make an entire podcast out of poking fun at Ryan and talk about some games (I don't mind the left 4 dead talk, it's rad, but a little variety would be excellent. I won't try and say that GFW radio had the most high-brow humor, but many of shawn and jeff's stories went far beyond the dick jokes. I find that most of the jokes told are very low-hanging. Maybe i'm just nostalgic
edit:: its not only david who is guilty of being a normal dude!
edit:: its not only david who is guilty of being a normal dude!
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What does that even mean?farnham said:
Joseph Merrick
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holy shit. so dull
nailed it.JBuccCP said:
MrTroubleMaker
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Mandewd said:
:lol
Joseph Merrick
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great post, dude.ghst said:
yep.No Means Nomad said:
really annoyed by this part. I know I know two or three of these people aren't pc specific people at all. but the collected list was pretty much; the blizzard games.. and a couple of consolegames, that's it? REALLY. arghborder said:
Joseph Merrick
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ROFLMcBacon said:
Jesus. There are a hell of a lot of bitter 'oh noes girls are encroaching on my territory' guys in this thread. Reading some of the posts makes me cringe knowing that those girls are reading it.
What's worse? The guys who write the creepy PMs announcing their affections, or the guys writing on public message boards saying girls don't know how to talk about games? Personally, I think they are as bad as each other.
I think people need a reality check. 1ups podcasts are about a bunch of people getting together and talking about games. It's not the comedy hour, it's not an action flick, BBC documentary, nor even a weekly soap opera. They don't hire people with fat salaries where their expertise is entertaining people for hours. These people are gamers first and foremost. Who, because of their jobs, other people want to hear about what they're playing and their opinions. They sit in a 'studio' hobbled together in some guys office with foam stuck on the windows. The quality will vary greatly, the characters won't all be oscar worthy.
There's no doubt The Brodeo is different now. It was one of the only podcasts, or indeed, one of the only mediums around, where you could hear intelligent discussion on games. In depth, detailed discussion. And if that's your problem then that's cool, because that's certainly a valid complaint. Yeah, it sucks that we don't get that now. But what we have instead is a pretty reasonable podcast that's still fun to listen to, with characters that work well together and have interesting opinions. It's not The Brodeo of old but it's still a hell of a lot better than most podcasts out there. The kicker is that you get it for free. The only thing they ask of you is the time it takes to listen to it.
And really when it comes down to it, that's what offends me the most about the comments. A lot of the staff of 1up go out of their way to give the community something and all the community does is kick sand in their face. Usually I can ignore it. But when the crux of the argument is that girls just 'don't work' on podcasts, I just have to respond because that's a giant load of bullshit.
What's worse? The guys who write the creepy PMs announcing their affections, or the guys writing on public message boards saying girls don't know how to talk about games? Personally, I think they are as bad as each other.
I think people need a reality check. 1ups podcasts are about a bunch of people getting together and talking about games. It's not the comedy hour, it's not an action flick, BBC documentary, nor even a weekly soap opera. They don't hire people with fat salaries where their expertise is entertaining people for hours. These people are gamers first and foremost. Who, because of their jobs, other people want to hear about what they're playing and their opinions. They sit in a 'studio' hobbled together in some guys office with foam stuck on the windows. The quality will vary greatly, the characters won't all be oscar worthy.
There's no doubt The Brodeo is different now. It was one of the only podcasts, or indeed, one of the only mediums around, where you could hear intelligent discussion on games. In depth, detailed discussion. And if that's your problem then that's cool, because that's certainly a valid complaint. Yeah, it sucks that we don't get that now. But what we have instead is a pretty reasonable podcast that's still fun to listen to, with characters that work well together and have interesting opinions. It's not The Brodeo of old but it's still a hell of a lot better than most podcasts out there. The kicker is that you get it for free. The only thing they ask of you is the time it takes to listen to it.
And really when it comes down to it, that's what offends me the most about the comments. A lot of the staff of 1up go out of their way to give the community something and all the community does is kick sand in their face. Usually I can ignore it. But when the crux of the argument is that girls just 'don't work' on podcasts, I just have to respond because that's a giant load of bullshit.
rollingstart
Banned
yeah, the hate on female members on the podcast just comes off as misogynistic and a bit petty. There was some back with Retronauts and Jenn Frank, and also some with Jen Tsao way back when. If anything it's pretty interesting to see how people react to this stuff because it can be quite revealing.
and there is no doubt that the 1up pc podcast is different now, actually you can just say that it's different in that GFW Radio had a point to the podcast while Lan party doesn't. I'm just saying that with GFW Radio, you knew they were gonna have the best discussion about current topics in all facets of gaming. Lan party feels like an audio blog checking up on the lives of those invovled. It can still be entertaining, mainly when Robert Ashley is there.
and there is no doubt that the 1up pc podcast is different now, actually you can just say that it's different in that GFW Radio had a point to the podcast while Lan party doesn't. I'm just saying that with GFW Radio, you knew they were gonna have the best discussion about current topics in all facets of gaming. Lan party feels like an audio blog checking up on the lives of those invovled. It can still be entertaining, mainly when Robert Ashley is there.
I zoned out somewhere in the middle of the podcast but I think they're losing it. It just doesn't feel like a PC podcast anymore.
When all they talked about during the loose "what you've been playing" segment was Left 4 Dead, and all I can really remember from the discussion was how Ryan only likes playing as Zoe and how there's a funny movie out there about two of the characters sounding like they're having sex or something, something is wrong.
I don't really know how to put it into words, but it's like there's no meaningful discussion anymore. Or maybe it's critical discussion that I'm looking for. Maybe Left 4 Dead has already been talked out and there was nothing left to discuss. I don't know, all I know is, something is missing.
This feeling has been building for the past 2 or 3 episodes, this episode was the one that brought it out.
When all they talked about during the loose "what you've been playing" segment was Left 4 Dead, and all I can really remember from the discussion was how Ryan only likes playing as Zoe and how there's a funny movie out there about two of the characters sounding like they're having sex or something, something is wrong.
I don't really know how to put it into words, but it's like there's no meaningful discussion anymore. Or maybe it's critical discussion that I'm looking for. Maybe Left 4 Dead has already been talked out and there was nothing left to discuss. I don't know, all I know is, something is missing.
This feeling has been building for the past 2 or 3 episodes, this episode was the one that brought it out.
Hiring Chuff's Love is an extraordinarily strange turn of events.
Re: the state of this podcast, yeah, I'm not feeling it, especially this episode. In particular it shouldn't even be called LAN Party, since no one seems to know jack shit about PC gaming or care about it. There aren't any interesting discussions or stories taking place, either. This episode's particularly bad because of the absence of Max Chill and Matt. Max Chill's self-explanatory, and not just because he wrote a GFW article about me haw!, but Matt's been a good addition. He usually puts some level of thought into what he's talking about, and makes an effort to include some PC talk. Tina brings light shooter discussion and sadism to the show and that's fine in a secondary capacity. Alice is just awful here. I feel like I'm listening to youtube comments read aloud in succession.
Assuming Robert and Matt return for the next episode, mainly I think Ryan needs to step up a little or replace himself. Not being able to actually *say anything* is a problem. "Left 4 Dead is fun. Dang. What the hell." Come on, man, bring a bottle of Jack to the recording session if you have to, but have an opinion on something that goes beyond a one word descriptor. It worked on the Brodeo since it had the strong foundation of Jeff and Shawn and an eccentric background character chiming in now and then was fun, but those times are behind us.
Re: the state of this podcast, yeah, I'm not feeling it, especially this episode. In particular it shouldn't even be called LAN Party, since no one seems to know jack shit about PC gaming or care about it. There aren't any interesting discussions or stories taking place, either. This episode's particularly bad because of the absence of Max Chill and Matt. Max Chill's self-explanatory, and not just because he wrote a GFW article about me haw!, but Matt's been a good addition. He usually puts some level of thought into what he's talking about, and makes an effort to include some PC talk. Tina brings light shooter discussion and sadism to the show and that's fine in a secondary capacity. Alice is just awful here. I feel like I'm listening to youtube comments read aloud in succession.
Assuming Robert and Matt return for the next episode, mainly I think Ryan needs to step up a little or replace himself. Not being able to actually *say anything* is a problem. "Left 4 Dead is fun. Dang. What the hell." Come on, man, bring a bottle of Jack to the recording session if you have to, but have an opinion on something that goes beyond a one word descriptor. It worked on the Brodeo since it had the strong foundation of Jeff and Shawn and an eccentric background character chiming in now and then was fun, but those times are behind us.
Mar_ said:
The point isn't that there are women on the show. Who cares what gender they are? Obviously you will get a few stupid comments, but thats to be expected.
The problem with Teanah is that she is boring and doesn't add anything substantive to the discussion.
And I really get sick of people using the "free podcasts can't be criticized" argument. They do a podcast because its part of their fucking job! This whole charity shtick they use is so stupid, that would be like a TV commercial actor saying you couldn't critique his acting abilities in a toothpaste commercial because you didnt' pay to watch it. And obviously nobody is expecting everything to be high level discussion, but as previous posters have said, the new show is quickly becoming little more than lazy ramblings with few meaningful insights. It is starting to remind me of the old EGM Live, where the show got to the point where it was little more than mentioning the weekly new releases, and then vaguely insulting the listeners for the remainder of the time.
Anyways, thats my two cents.
wolfmat
Confirmed Asshole
I'm not happy with this episode. There are lots of things going on on the PC platform and you guys aren't covering it properly; I don't feel informed in the slightest.
Fun and games are awesome filler for a podcast, but you've got to have some material. Look at the HL Retronauts, that was a good one, just to give a 1Up-podcast example. It felt like they had some kind of list of things to talk about (even if they improvised). Granted, that basically comes free with a retro topic, but that just means you have to work harder, I suppose.
I wouldn't be able to do better by myself, I guess, but that's how I feel.
Fun and games are awesome filler for a podcast, but you've got to have some material. Look at the HL Retronauts, that was a good one, just to give a 1Up-podcast example. It felt like they had some kind of list of things to talk about (even if they improvised). Granted, that basically comes free with a retro topic, but that just means you have to work harder, I suppose.
I wouldn't be able to do better by myself, I guess, but that's how I feel.
GarthVaderUK
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I wasn't feeling this episode either, to be honest. I think they could've done with a bit more planning and structure, might have helped the discussions a little.
Also, I think some of them were trying too hard to be funny. It might be a good idea to concentrate more on content, then let the humour follow on naturally.
Also, I think some of them were trying too hard to be funny. It might be a good idea to concentrate more on content, then let the humour follow on naturally.
GarthVaderUK said:
Shows like this need a straight-man character to balance the goofiness. Anthony is pretty bad at this, IMO, whenever he goes into one of his derailment stories-shtick, I feel like I am listening to someone read their latest short-essay assignment from their creative writing class, or something. Jeff did a good job of moving the show forward, but without him, its like there is no straight-man character to keep the show balanced, and it devolves into a few random people performing their prepared shtick for an hour.
And generally, that to a certain degree is what I like about 1UP compared with something like IGN. I appreciate that they have the freedom to have less rigid or structured podcasts; but when the shows cease having a coherent point or flow, it just gets tedious for the listener.
ZD closed the GFW magazine, two of the key PC editors left 1up. Who do you think is left to talk substantively about PC gaming? There's only a couple people left who play PC games.
It's not like 1up is focussing on more PC stories on the site. They focus on console gaming. Around half or more of their dedicated PC editors are gone.
The PC gaming podcast from 1up is never going to have in-depth round table PC gaming talk since they just don't have that many people who play a variety of PC games.
I'd also like to say that Anthony has always been very good at describing the games he's playing, going into detail with the mechanics and style. He's been getting ragged on in this thread for the joking around, but he brings actual game discussion to the table very frequently.
I said it before about Ryan. If the man is not gonna talk or provide any real analysis on the games he's playing ("So how's Lich King?" "good".....) then he should step aside as host. He's not moving discussions forward.
with that said... time to listen to the new episode.
It's not like 1up is focussing on more PC stories on the site. They focus on console gaming. Around half or more of their dedicated PC editors are gone.
The PC gaming podcast from 1up is never going to have in-depth round table PC gaming talk since they just don't have that many people who play a variety of PC games.
I'd also like to say that Anthony has always been very good at describing the games he's playing, going into detail with the mechanics and style. He's been getting ragged on in this thread for the joking around, but he brings actual game discussion to the table very frequently.
I said it before about Ryan. If the man is not gonna talk or provide any real analysis on the games he's playing ("So how's Lich King?" "good".....) then he should step aside as host. He's not moving discussions forward.
with that said... time to listen to the new episode.
IMO Ryan hasn't changed much from the GFW days, but his role has changed significantly. In GFW days he wasn't the host, or the most informative one or even the wise-ass or joker of the bunch, and it suited him. He had time to think on stuff to say, and keep it minimal.
As a host, you can't do that. You need to move conversations forward, change the direction of them or stop them. You need to be on the ball to be a host. Ryan is not. Anthony isn't a host either, and nor is Max Chill. I don't think any of the guys on this podcast have what it takes to be a good host, which is one of the more apparent problems of LAN Party.
As a host, you can't do that. You need to move conversations forward, change the direction of them or stop them. You need to be on the ball to be a host. Ryan is not. Anthony isn't a host either, and nor is Max Chill. I don't think any of the guys on this podcast have what it takes to be a good host, which is one of the more apparent problems of LAN Party.
bigdaddygamebot
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Truant said:
I could listen to her aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall day.
Mar_ said:
Well. I always find this slightly humorous. Doesnt 1up desire website hits? Is there no monetary value with website clicks? Arent podcasts a way to foster people into visiting 1up.com?
It isnt as simple as well were getting it for free we shouldnt complain. Podcasts are a part of their job. 1up eventually does get something for people listening.
The On Timers
Banned
border said:Something you will never again see - a female 1Up user with less than 10 friendsOnce the podcast is out, I'm sure that number will balloon pretty quickly.
+1 - likes Venture Brothers
+1 - reads Richard Dawkins
+0 - lists "Harriet the Spy" among favorite films (huh?)
-5 - reads Poppy Z. Brite
Correction
+2 - likes Venture Brothers
+0 - reads Richard Dawkins
+50.5 - lists "Harriet the Spy" among favorite films (huh?)
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Grecco said:
Not really. Let's say you subscribe to a podcast on iTunes. Where is the hit in that? I think that the podcasts extend the 1up brand and that is about it. If I was at Ziff-Davis, I would ask the podcasts to talk more about site content to drive hits, but at this point the podcasts can be seen as a replacement for the site as you get scores, what people think of the newest games, news, etc. on the podcasts.
Either way, the podcasts are free. But I don't think there is anything wrong with letting them know what you like or don't like about them. If it wasn't for feedback 1up FM wouldn't be here today.
As for the Lan Party. I think that they are a victim of the Brodeo's success. There is no what in hell they could follow up what GFW Radio became and compare favorably. The Brodeo ended up being one of the best podcasts ever. EVER. It was natural for them to try and emulate some of the Brodeo qualities, but when a strong personality like Bobbito isn't there, ther might want to go more straight content instead of humor. They just don't have the guns for that. Make the show the Lan Party, not Brodeo-Lite. Brodeo is dead, do your own thing.
Damn, I haven't heard the episode, but if it isn't that good that doesn't mean that the podcast is going up in flames. Every episode so far was pretty great.
I don't know, I just get really annoyed by snowball threads like this. Its like one dude talks about how he hates the show now, then everyone comes out of nowhere to proclaim the death of the podcast. Its always doom and gloom that's way too exaggerated.
I think the cast they came up with was great, and they do play well off of each other, just give them time to get into a good groove and things will be fine.
I don't know, I just get really annoyed by snowball threads like this. Its like one dude talks about how he hates the show now, then everyone comes out of nowhere to proclaim the death of the podcast. Its always doom and gloom that's way too exaggerated.
I think the cast they came up with was great, and they do play well off of each other, just give them time to get into a good groove and things will be fine.
People are talking like GFW was any good at the beginning. This is a new podcast after all, so they definitely need more time to focus. And 1up editorial situation doesn't help, cause they barely play pc games compared to the amount of coverage when they had to work in the mag.
Just stop wanting this to be GFW and unsuscribe, and check in the future if it gets any good. It is good enough for me and my gf, so we will keep listening and supporting.
Just stop wanting this to be GFW and unsuscribe, and check in the future if it gets any good. It is good enough for me and my gf, so we will keep listening and supporting
.Martial Loh
Member
http://www.dontsaylike.com/
I do wish some of the crew would, like, have a look at this site. It's a lot more noticeable in LAN Party, than any of the other 1Up podcasts.
I do wish some of the crew would, like, have a look at this site. It's a lot more noticeable in LAN Party, than any of the other 1Up podcasts.
bistromathics
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JimtotheHum
Member
border said:
Chuff Love gets dumped in 3...2...1....
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Rad. Jeff and Shawn back together, debating the issues of the day
Just because they happen to be female doesn't excuse them of criticism. It's not like their male counterparts at 1UP have escaped being criticized when it was warranted. I quite enjoy Alice on backlog and 1up FM as she can be very entertaining.
Retronauts made for a good PC podcast this week although Tina didn't exactly shine in that either. The whole thing came off as the other guys explaining Half-life's lasting influence on the industry to her. Honestly though how can someone on the PC podcast not have played HL until now. Not her week I guess.
Ryan really needs to step it up as a host. Take control of the podcast and really give it some direction. Kind of like what Andrew does with 1up Yours. Never thought I would ever say that.
Retronauts made for a good PC podcast this week although Tina didn't exactly shine in that either. The whole thing came off as the other guys explaining Half-life's lasting influence on the industry to her. Honestly though how can someone on the PC podcast not have played HL until now. Not her week I guess.
Ryan really needs to step it up as a host. Take control of the podcast and really give it some direction. Kind of like what Andrew does with 1up Yours. Never thought I would ever say that.
FartOfWar said:
gamers with jobs strikes again!
you and jeff need to start new podcast even if it's only bi-weekly or whatever. the ign wii guys do theirs over long distance somehow so it's possible and i know you want candy.
farnham said:
tina is alright. when she talks about griefing that's when she's most interesting.
alice i think has been there for a while but i cant remember. i havent found her all that interesting so far.
odd how chuff love ended up at 1up. i havent listened to the podcast yet but it seems like gamestop on the resume is all you need to get a job there.
Danne-Danger
Member
Ooh, next GWJ? And another thing, we know that you enjoy podcasting, and we know that Ken Levine loves to participate in podcasts now and then, see where I'm going?FartOfWar said:
Where's the 2K Boston Cast?
Uno Ill Nino
Banned
Foxtastical said:
You sure its not the other way around? I'm often surprised at some of these people's lack of knowledge on games from as recently as the PS2/Dreamcast era, moreso anything before that.