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College Football 2016 Week Seven: It's Never the Right Time to Wear Orange.

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andycapps

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Dean Legge at Dawg Post has talked to a lot of boosters, former players, and others connected with the UGA program. Most everyone seems sold on Kirby, but there is an impression that this team is really behind in talent in some areas (you don't say) and that the culture shock is real.

“I’m not sure you could have said that in the past,” said another. “Mark loved the kids, and Kirby does as well, but there is a different feel to the program right now. I mean, I think its hard on a lot of the guys who have been here for a few years. This is totally new. Kirby is very hard on them. They are not used to it. They thought they had worked hard before, and they had a small amount of success. But now there’s a lot more work involved. I think it is taking some time to trickle into the bloodstream of the program. You are talking about changing a culture. That’s not done very simply. There’s a lot of folks that, and they might not understand this about themselves, but they are OK with OK. Really, Georgia itself has never pushed for them to do more than that. And you have to remember how special Georgia is to Kirby, and there he is trying to change the culture of a place that’s missed narrowly all too often. The difference in narrowly missing and winning is small, but getting that small part right is very difficult. That’s probably why that loss was so painful. They lost because of stupid small stuff. The major stuff they seem to have handled. But the small stuff - why is Reggie Davis out there catching the ball on the three-yard line? How many times do we have to see that? Get his ass out of there.”
“There is no question who is in charge right now,” said a former player. “None. And I played for and loved that previous staff. You didn't always know who was in charge. But now everyone knows that when Kirby walks into the room he’s the person in charge. Period. The other thing that is so big is that he’s making a lot of the kids very uncomfortable. They just are not used to this. These seniors and juniors - a lot of them really are not not playing a ton - but they’ve never had to work like this. That’s got to make for dissension in the locker room. I don’t know that, but that’s my guess from the outside. I know the younger guys have never had to work like this because they were in high school. Its something that’s taking a lot of getting used to from the players. I’m not sure if people realize just how far away they are at the offensive line, too. I mean you’ve got probably two SEC-level offensive linemen starting right now. Maybe three. And those guys - I don’t know who the hell the coach was last year, but those guys actually got worse. It was horrible. That’s a hard spot to just work out in a short time. But Kirby, I am telling you, has a plan for all of this. He’s the guy in charge. He’s the one who knows how to steer this ship. No matter how much people don’t want to hear it - what happened on Saturday was something that happens in sports. You can be the better team, play better and still lose because of a couple of plays. And really special teams is the one spot that takes such a long time to get right. I mean the entire program is in there learning a new offense and a new defense. They work on that stuff so hard. Sometimes stuff like special teams, and when not to catch the ball on the three-yard line or running back to get field a punt you have no business fielding - you think guys know that. You think… ‘hey, that’s not that hard to know’. But they don’t know it. That’s something you just have to repeat over and over - you have to practice and play special teams for a long time to get them right. When was the last time special teams were right at Georgia? You don't unlearn dumb stuff from the past."
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That last bit is so true. Special teams have been a dumpster fire for years. People wanted Richt to hire a special teams coach for a decade.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Looks like @drewjay's account got hacked. No real post there.

The Big XII is a huge clusterfuck and will be dissolved in under 5 years. The lack of leadership is astounding.
 
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FloydtheFathead

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AlteredBeast said:
Looks like @drewjay's account got hacked. No real post there.

The Big XII is a huge clusterfuck and will be dissolved in under 5 years. The lack of leadership is astounding.
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Yup..

Oklahoma and Texas need to start talking and try to figure out what the game plan is because any hope of limping on ends today. Supposedly the conference is trying to hold out for more money..

Good luck with that
 
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Vanillalite

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andycapps said:
Dean Legge at Dawg Post has talked to a lot of boosters, former players, and others connected with the UGA program. Most everyone seems sold on Kirby, but there is an impression that this team is really behind in talent in some areas (you don't say) and that the culture shock is real.



That last bit is so true. Special teams have been a dumpster fire for years. People wanted Richt to hire a special teams coach for a decade.
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That's all good, but it means it all falls on his shoulders. When you come in and project yourself as head dawg so to speak he's gotta be willing to live with it all on him.

I'm also not totally sold on the fans being as patient as Kirby may need in terms of a time table.
 
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tebunker

Banned
andycapps said:
Dean Legge at Dawg Post has talked to a lot of boosters, former players, and others connected with the UGA program. Most everyone seems sold on Kirby, but there is an impression that this team is really behind in talent in some areas (you don't say) and that the culture shock is real.



That last bit is so true. Special teams have been a dumpster fire for years. People wanted Richt to hire a special teams coach for a decade.
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Talked to my brother, UGA grad about it this weekend.

UGA players were just not used to the demands that coaches like Saban and now Kirby are going to put on them.

This is literally the Process. Look at Alabama 2007, and then look at all the freshmen who started in 2008, and the way the team started gelling and putting it all together.

Hopefully for you guys the culture shock works and you all get what you want. I've never had ill will toward UGA, I mean we both dislike utK and FAU.
 
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jjasper

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andycapps said:
Dean Legge at Dawg Post has talked to a lot of boosters, former players, and others connected with the UGA program. Most everyone seems sold on Kirby, but there is an impression that this team is really behind in talent in some areas (you don't say) and that the culture shock is real.
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Not to be a Debbie downer or to say they are going to have the same outcome but that is the kind of stuff insider people were posting Dooley's first year. Of course Dooley then started alienating people in year 2 starting with old players and alumni then coaches in the main recruiting area. And shit just snowballed.
 
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Vanillalite

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jjasper said:
Not to be a Debbie downer or to say they are going to have the same outcome but that is the kind of stuff insider people were posting Dooley's first year. Of course Dooley then started alienating people in year 2 starting with old players and alumni then coaches in the main recruiting area. And shit just snowballed.
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Of course everyone is OK with the tough guy coach coming in to change the culture.

Whether they stay OK with that remains to be seen over time if he doesn't start winning. The question becomes how long does he have to change things before people get alienated by the tough guy act if they are losing to the likes of Vandy.

This isn't exclusively something UGA has to deal with either. It's at most big time CFB programs. See Texas.
 
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bucknuticus

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andycapps

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tebunker said:
Talked to my brother, UGA grad about it this weekend.

UGA players were just not used to the demands that coaches like Saban and now Kirby are going to put on them.

This is literally the Process. Look at Alabama 2007, and then look at all the freshmen who started in 2008, and the way the team started gelling and putting it all together.

Hopefully for you guys the culture shock works and you all get what you want. I've never had ill will toward UGA, I mean we both dislike utK and FAU.
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Yeah, The Process seems to be an adjustment. Players in the preseason were saying not much has changed. Come on. They just didn't want Kirby's wrath.
jjasper said:
Not to be a Debbie downer or to say they are going to have the same outcome but that is the kind of stuff insider people were posting Dooley's first year. Of course Dooley then started alienating people in year 2 starting with old players and alumni then coaches in the main recruiting area. And shit just snowballed.
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And that's definitely the way it could go. Was Dooley ever a good recruiter? Because Kirby so far has the #3 class for next year. It will take time but good players recruited year after year is a huge part of the success that Bama has right now.

It's going to take a couple years. There are some huge, huge talent shortfalls at UGA. OL is the biggest and it affects everything from being unable to run between the tackles against an above average defense. Puts them in 2nd and 3rd and long, which impacts playcalling, Eason, etc. Probably impacts the defense when the offense puts them in a bad spot, mostly again back to the OL.

Vanilla- if fans revolt this year then they really just need to stay away and choose another team. There is serious work to do in the program for any new coach, much less a first time one. UGA fans need some patience. If we lose to Vandy in 2018 then that's a different story.
 
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jfkgoblue

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FloydtheFathead said:
Yup..

Oklahoma and Texas need to start talking and try to figure out what the game plan is because any hope of limping on ends today. Supposedly the conference is trying to hold out for more money..

Good luck with that
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I posted this in the other thread, but I'm guessing Texas to independent or PAC and OU to Big Ten with the Red River shootout becoming an OOC game again.

And Nebraska fans will rejoice
 
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Vanillalite

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Still feel like there are too many teams in the Big XII to just dissolve it.

Idk why they don't just realize they are stuck in the middle of the country. That isn't gonna change anytime soon. Grab two teams, and be done with it all.
 
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FloydtheFathead

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Vanillalite said:
Still feel like there are too many teams in the Big XII to just dissolve it.

Idk why they don't just realize they are stuck in the middle of the country. That isn't gonna change anytime soon. Grab two teams, and be done with it all.
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Because they can't afford to just do that. They need programs that can add money, recruiting grounds, competition, and television sets. The money will dry up for the majority of the conference and everything will decay like a rust belt small town.

None of the aforementioned programs succeeded completely at hitting all those marks.. they need to expand now to just keep the conference going and hopefully by the end of the media rights agreements in the other conferences, pluck a morsel out of the other conferences. The opportunity for that was with Louisville and they missed that opportunity.

That ship has passed and now its on life support.
 
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Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Cole Cubelic ‏@colecubelic 6h6 hours ago
Overall opponent record:
Ala 26-21
OhSt 18-20
Mich 21-18
Clem 27-15
aTm 23-16
Wash 14-23
UL 22-19
Neb 15-22
Baylor 8-26
WVU 17-14
Tenn 34-11
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Baylor should be left out (everywhere) on "Strength of Schedule" alone.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
timetokill said:
Whatever happens, I'm just hoping Baylor gets left out of the major conferences.
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Speaking of Baylor, everyone who's not a Baylor fan should be pulling for the following teams to go undefeated:

Bama / TAMU
tOSUn / Khaki U
UDub
Clemson

If Baylor runs the table, they're getting in, unless we have 4 of these teams undefeated at the end of the season. Everyone needs to do their part to keep Baylor out, at least until Baylor drops a game.
 
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Hippopuncher12

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mre said:
Speaking of Baylor, everyone who's not a Baylor fan should be pulling for the following teams to go undefeated:

Bama / TAMU
tOSUn / Khaki U
UDub
Clemson

If Baylor runs the table, they're getting in, unless we have 4 of these teams undefeated at the end of the season. Everyone needs to do their part to keep Baylor out, at least until Baylor drops a game.
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Hopefully WVU beats them and then no one has to worry about it. Actually now that I think about it OU will probably beat them anyway.
 
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Sirpopopop

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Gio Rescigno might not be the droid we're looking for...

We're badly beaten up boys & it's going to take a few years to get back up.

Damn Flood. He did more damage than PSU's sanctions did to them.
 
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peteykirch

Member
Sirpopopop said:
Gio Rescigno might not be the droid we're looking for...

We're badly beaten up boys & it's going to take a few years to get back up.

Damn Flood. He did more damage than PSU's sanctions did to them.
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I love the rumors that Flood might go and be the HC for Delaware.

But yes, the man pretty much did 11 years of hard work by Schiano in about 3 years.
 
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Affeinvasion

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On the topic of conference realignment I think ND and Texas have had some contact in the past (when ND was looking at their options post Big East dissolution). I think a conference bracketed by ND and Texas could be extremely strong and would have a significant amount of pull.

I did read an interesting post from a shitty ND fan forum in early October that is interesting, but I would take absolutely everything about it with a grain of salt (except for the fact that schools are beginning to think about contingencies if the college football landscape changes drastically in regards to having to pay players/Title IX considerations).

The University is monitoring the various lawsuits very closely. As you say, if it's pay the players, we're out. A corollary to this story is the discussion among prospective members of the Egghead Conference (some are suggesting a dialogue initiated by ND) to form a conference whose membership responds to academic excellence. Discussants include ND, Rice, the service academies, NW, Duke, Vandy, Stanford, Virginia. The story has it that BC was approached, but that it has declined to participate in the discussions. Others want in--BYU, North Carolina. For it to work, they need Stanford and at least one more West Coast school (SC).
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cdyhybrid

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Azwethinkweiz said:
Washington also has a pretty garbage schedule
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Conference isn't great but there are a few decent teams. We miss Colorado, which is good for our chances of winning games, but bad for strength of schedule.

We still have ASU, USC, Utah, and Wazzu on the schedule.

I also expect Furd to pull it together.

But yeah, if we drop a game we're not getting in unless others also lose.
 
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Slo

Member
Affeinvasion said:
On the topic of conference realignment I think ND and Texas have had some contact in the past (when ND was looking at their options post Big East dissolution). I think a conference bracketed by ND and Texas could be extremely strong and would have a significant amount of pull.

I did read an interesting post from a shitty ND fan forum in early October that is interesting, but I would take absolutely everything about it with a grain of salt (except for the fact that schools are beginning to think about contingencies if the college football landscape changes drastically in regards to having to pay players/Title IX considerations).
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I would think Berkeley fits that profile better than SC.
 
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jfkgoblue

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cdyhybrid said:
Conference isn't great but there are a few decent teams. We miss Colorado, which is good for our chances of winning games, but bad for strength of schedule.

We still have ASU, USC, and Wazzu on the schedule.

I also expect Furd to pull it together.

But yeah, if we drop a game we're not getting in unless others also lose.
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You'd get in over 1-loss B12 champ and prob a 1-loss B10/SEC/ACC nonchamp

Big twelve is officially doing nothing at all

https://mobile.twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/788147564499435520

What a fucking waste of everyone's time
 
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Draxal

Member
Sirpopopop said:
Gio Rescigno might not be the droid we're looking for...

We're badly beaten up boys & it's going to take a few years to get back up.

Damn Flood. He did more damage than PSU's sanctions did to them.
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He probably isn't but I could not watch another game with Laviaono starting.

Still can't believe there are Floodites on the rivals board.
 
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ryseing

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FloydtheFathead said:
The good news is that it probably will.
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Yeah, when you do the math, Baylor really doesn't stand a chance.

Presumably the next step is four power conferences with 16 teams each. ACC is full- in that scenario ND joins as a full member with Navy. That leaves you with eight spots to fill and ten current power teams to fill them, plus whatever G5 teams throw their hats in the ring.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are all getting power invites. Presumably TT and OK State are as well because of state system affiliation stuff and the fact that they have decent enough athletic programs.

So three spots for Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, West Virginia, and Iowa State. Now if Texas goes independent (valid possibility) that opens up a fourth spot but even then the Pac/B1G aren't stupid enough to take Baylor with everything that's happened recently.

Forgot that the SEC still has two slots to fill to get to 16.
 
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Vanillalite

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Too many teams.

I'm not sure how many conferences really want to go to 16 teams, and even then that still leaves out some teams.

Also no way Texas is allowed to go independent. ND got lucky with their current exemption, but even they seem to be headed towards full ACC membership.

I don't see anyone allowing another exception CFB playoff wise. So Texas is gonna have to make a move.

Still think if Texas didn't have that stupid ass LHN they could just add a couple of teams to the Big 12 as is and get a deal.

Sure it might not be as big as the other 4 conferences, but its not like it would be chump change.
 
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