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[Dahbomb]

I think Shuma-Gorath might just be the worst solo character in the game.

Worst solo character is easily Hsien Ko and bare Phoenix Wright with Frank Wack also in good contention for that spot. Shuma Gorath at least has combos off of throws and big damage... he can get lucky with a hit. He also has crazy limbs that can catch you by surprise and not a terrible ground dash.

I actually think Iron Fist is a worse solo character than Shuma too.

 

[LordJim]

Worst solo character is easily Hsien Ko and bare Phoenix Wright. Shuma Gorath at least has combos off of throws and big damage... he can get lucky with a hit. He also has crazy limbs.

I actually think Iron Fist is a worse solo character than Shuma too.

Nemesis is worse too, IMO.
Any decent set-ups need assists and damage is ass due to 100k damage hyper and limited relaunches

 

[Rhapsody]

Wow. Lol

H-box didn't know that Winners Finals was BO3 instead of BO5. And like others said, he did shake his hand, but the gif cuts it off before then.

Had a blast at Evo this year. I want to meet some GAFfers next time though.

 

[PrivateRyan]

Shouts to the TTT2 finals and Bronson hype too - best hype outside of the final day, actually inspired me to fire up TTT2 and mess around with True Ogre

 

[Mesoian]

This is the least hyped evo i've ever watched..or maybe the last year oversold me.

You are drunk. That was without a doubt the best Grand finals day ever.

 

[El Sloth]

I will say that my game, Injustice, wasnt as hype as I thought it would be...

It disappointed me that at a high level, superman zoning still won. It makes me chuckle when I hear, "Just duck/block and dash!".

Yeah, or I can pick Superman or eyelazer my way to Evo 2014.


Watching KOF made me want to go out and buy KOF.

The game is isn't even a year old yet. Tier lists will change as they always. I'm personally convinced that Raven is being slept on after watching that one dude. If they buff her again, then she will become a real threat for the supermen army.

 

[BillyBones]

Games for next year:

USF4 - given. Most entrants, bunch of viewers (especially when you factor in all the restreams.)
UMVC3 - no question, entrants and most viewers.
Injustice - comes back as the SFxT: had a bunch of entrants, but nobody really enjoyed watching it. Also, WB helps pay for the ballroom so no reason to doubt it's return.
Melee - Earned a repeat spot. Entrants, viewers, and everyone was on their best behavior. In my mind the only question is melee or New Smash.
SFxT - unless something amazing happens at VxG pack it up. I've always enjoyed the game, and it still got a good number of entrants but nobody wanted to watch it and it really felt like everyone "also" entered SFxT.
Persona: Bananaken saved it this year, but we all know there can only be one Anime game. Now that BB and GG stuff is coming out it's highlander time.
KOF: always has amazing Finals. Still had a strong number of entrants this year. I
MK9 dead. Was dying before injustice. Wasn't very exciting to watch people that hadn't played the game in months go through the motions this year. Only reason to run it again is to pay for the ballroom with WB money.
Tekken Tag 2: Tekken community kind of blew it this year. I understand that Tekken is mostly an east coast thing, but Evo is your opportunity to grab new people and play all the international players. Sad to see so many people stay home. Only Namco and Markman can save them now.
Skullgirls: had a good tournament. Severin brought the hype. Still has a big uphill battle to get some solid numbers at majors and get a full spot.

 

[shaowebb]

Worst solo character is easily Hsien Ko and bare Phoenix Wright with Frank Wack also in good contention for that spot. Shuma Gorath at least has combos off of throws and big damage... he can get lucky with a hit. He also has crazy limbs that can catch you by surprise and not a terrible ground dash.

I actually think Iron Fist is a worse solo character than Shuma too.

Sigh...
Yes. Yes he is. The dude needed a KoF style roll to deal with the fast as fuck zoning in this game. To use him I had to rely on a team that had not one but TWO zoning assists and one was Arthur daggers and to use him even on that I needed to place him second so that Taskmaster's corner carry could start him out with his only viable screen position without wasting life on chip first.

They should have made rising dragon available at all times so he could just Liu Kang his way in on folks, but thanks to relegating it to 3rd rekka available only he had ZERO ways to show up. Heck with rising dragon available at all times he could have made some sick punishes off that move from good reads and converted to kill. He'd have been a great comeback character on streams for that alone, but noooooooooo...*wanders off waving hands and bitching into the air*

 

[Karsticles]

Worst solo character is easily Hsien Ko and bare Phoenix Wright with Frank Wack also in good contention for that spot. Shuma Gorath at least has combos off of throws and big damage... he can get lucky with a hit. He also has crazy limbs that can catch you by surprise and not a terrible ground dash.

I actually think Iron Fist is a worse solo character than Shuma too.

I heartily disagree.

Shuma-Gorath: No ranged ability without charging for 2 full seconds (lol in Marvel time), horrible speed, weak mobility, small ranged normals outside of c.M, no mix-up possibilities, nigh impossible to combo from hypers at mid-screen, has the potentially fantastic Chaos Dimension that is usually underwhelming in practice due to its very low damage (only 350K for the unblockable portion, which is what matters as an anchor)

Hsien-ko: Decent keepaway that would be good if not for random bombs, abysmal speed, fantastic mix-ups including popping out of her ground dash, a hyper that provides hyper armor, large normals, low damage

Phoenix Wright: Decent normals, some of the best utility hypers in the game, maya shield helps give him breathing room, can potentially destroy an entire team if he establishes himself (not easy solo)

Frank West: Not even bad solo. JWong has made a ton of comebacks with him. He has solid speed, great hypers, and good normals. Solid at getting in alone between pie throws and zombies

Iron Fist: Has a mini Bionic Arm, superb ground speed, big damage combos, great priority on his normals, armor options, and one of the best AA hypers in the game

I'm not saying that the non-Shuma-Gorath characters are good, or anything similar. I am just saying that they at least have stuff going for them. Shuma-Gorath is pure piss when he's solo. LLND has made a lot of comebacks with Hsien-ko. She's a terrible character, but she has some good options and abilities.

 

[enzo_gt]

How was the audience reacting to the KI segment in person? Were they getting hype over it too or no?

 

[Dahbomb]

Frank West: Not even bad solo. JWong has made a ton of comebacks with him. He has solid speed, great hypers, and good normals. Solid at getting in alone between pie throws and zombies

LOL that's a terrible argument. Justin "Marvelous" Wong can make twice as many comebacks with Shuma Gorath. I mean Angelic has made comebacks with Shuma Gorath.

 

[Karsticles]

LOL that's a terrible argument. Justin "Marvelous" Wong can make twice as many comebacks with Shuma Gorath. I mean Angelic has made comebacks with Shuma Gorath.

Angelic killed 2 characters max with Shuma-Gorath. Any character can do that. JWong kills entire teams. With smart play, 1 character dead is guaranteed through XFC unless you play a keepaway team (which Frank West can deal with, but Shuma-Gorath cannot). Regardless of the JWong factoid, Frank West is still in a better position than Shuma-Gorath. Plus, those Shuma-Gorath comebacks were mistakes on the part of Angelic's opponents. A complete lack of matchup knowledge, as SixFortyFive and I were talking about above.

 

[GuardianE]

Frank West is absolutely not the worst solo character in the game.

 

[Dahbomb]

Angelic killed 2 characters max with Shuma-Gorath. Any character can do that. JWong kills entire teams. With smart play, 1 character dead is guaranteed through XFC unless you play a keepaway team (which Frank West can deal with, but Shuma-Gorath cannot). Regardless of the JWong factoid, Frank West is still in a better position than Shuma-Gorath.

I am not talking about that top 8, Angelic has made comebacks with Shuma before.

Frank is only good when he's sitting on X factor because then he can at least grab into XF. Without XF or meter he can't do shit off of a throw. That is the big difference between the two especially when it comes to anchor battle and Shuma actually has a legitimate low... Frank can be up backed all day long.

Frank West is absolutely not the worst solo character in the game.

I didn't say he was, I was contesting that Shuma is the worst solo character in the game. I mean he's bottom 5 free when it comes to solo characters but I like him to make a comeback over Phoenix Wright, Hsien Ko and Frank West any time of the day. I have definitely NEVER seen a Phoenix Wright solo comeback if he wasn't already in TA mode.

 

[Ninja Dom]

DOA has a lot of problems that still need to be fixed, it's not a very good game at the moment. I still love it though. Hopefully the arcade release of ultimate can bring some good changes to the series down the line but I'm a bit wary of putting any faith in Team Ninja.

Do you know if Team Ninja reached out to current DOA 5 players to get their input for the rebalancing of Ultimate?

 

[SolarPowered]

Angelic killed 2 characters max with Shuma-Gorath. Any character can do that. JWong kills entire teams. With smart play, 1 character dead is guaranteed through XFC unless you play a keepaway team (which Frank West can deal with, but Shuma-Gorath cannot). Regardless of the JWong factoid, Frank West is still in a better position than Shuma-Gorath. Plus, those Shuma-Gorath comebacks were mistakes on the part of Angelic's opponents. A complete lack of matchup knowledge, as SixFortyFive and I were talking about above.

Shuma is one awkward character to fight. Far more awkward than any of the other low tiers. He definitely has that going for him.

 

[Karsticles]

I am not talking about that top 8, Angelic has made comebacks with Shuma before.

There is a difference between being the worst solo character and being the worst XF3 character. You're intertwining comeback factor with solo capability. My initial claim was just that he's the worst solo character:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70621611&postcount=14760

I agree that Shuma-Gorath is not the worst XF3 character. He becomes semi-bearable in XF3 just because he has nothing to lose and does crazy stuff at weird angles, and he gets like 175% speed in XF3. The worst XF3 character is probably Ghost Rider. He can't do shit, lol.

Frank is only good when he's sitting on X factor because then he can at least grab into XF. Without XF or meter he can't do shit off of a throw. That is the big difference between the two especially when it comes to anchor battle and Shuma actually has a legitimate low... Frank can be up backed all day long.

It doesn't matter because Shuma-Gorath never gets to hit anyone with the low. His approach method is like Morrigan without flight or Soul Fist. Think about how shitty that is for a moment. Now reduce the hitbox on her approach attack to be smaller than her hurtbox. That is Shuma-Gorath solo.

I didn't say he was, I was contesting that Shuma is the worst solo character in the game. I mean he's bottom 5 free when it comes to solo characters but I like him to make a comeback over Phoenix Wright, Hsien Ko and Frank West any time of the day. I have definitely NEVER seen a Phoenix Wright solo comeback if he wasn't already in TA mode.

Get a console and play the game and I'll gladly do some 1v1 matches to prove you wrong. The only character that might be worse at playing solo is Hsien-ko, and mostly because of her inconsistency with item toss.

 

[dankir]

Can somebody point me to a stream / time where F Champ was knocked out completely?

Thanks

Is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuDKwa72mg

 

[Busaiku]

BANANAMERICA deserved that up and comer award more than anyone.

 

[Ultimadrago]

Can somebody point me to a stream / time where F Champ was knocked out completely?

Thanks

Is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuDKwa72mg

Yep!

 

[Revven]

Check out Taj's Mewtwo

 

[Karsticles]

Check out Taj's Mewtwo

Good stuff.

 

[Rhapsody]

How was the audience reacting to the KI segment in person? Were they getting hype over it too or no?

Some people I saw were hyped in the crowd, but not all. So it was split.
I'm pretty sure most of the audience was just wondering when's Marvel like I was.

 

[biosnake20]

Hey maybe TxSF will be out by next EVO

Spoiler

lol

 

[Orpheus Telos]

Do you know if Team Ninja reached out to current DOA 5 players to get their input for the rebalancing of Ultimate?

I think they did but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[Sheroking]

Lvl.1 Frank vs Shuma anchor is tough.

Frank has no grab game, which means you gotta play defense and hope you get a touch. But he can get level 3 and be decent off that one touch. Shuma is Shuma no matter what you do. Shuma with meter can one touch a lot of the cast.

I say it defends on how good your defense is. For someone like Justin, I say Frank is better because the potential is there to make Frank the best character inside that match.

 

[Infinite]

But what about Reynald winning KoF? I guess the Koreans are sandbagging for next year.

 

[Busaiku]

Japan and Mexico were sandbagging.

 

[Dahbomb]

Wait Karst if we get that solo match going who are we gonna pick? I can't play fucking Shuma. Now if you want to play Shuma I will glady play Frank Wack or Phoenix Wright or Hsien Ko to prove the point.

Also I really thought we were talking about solo last character and XF3 was on deck. And yea Ghost Rider is shit too but one on one he would beat Shuma.

And Shuma's approach is not like Morrigan because he actually has ground movement, a reasonable one at that. If someone is super jumping around he can sneak under them over to the other side and hit them with that low.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Everyone is always sandbagging.

 

[ICKE]

Just want to say that this was a great tournament - thanks to many American players who really showed up and entertained the crowd.

Reynald in KOFXIII, Wong factor in Marvel, PR Balrog really giving it to Infiltration etc. So many moments to remember. I've watched every EVO since 2009 and for me this is number one without a doubt.

 

[Save 'N Quit]

Here is a shitty cell phone video of aMSa, the Japanese Yoshi, managing to take a game from M2K: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPj-sdcu4h4

Oh wow @ the egg throw 40 seconds in.

That was beautiful.

 

[Zynx]

Evo and other fighting game tournaments should incorporate winner interviews. I guess for smaller tournaments it could be hard to arrange for all the necessary translators, but the benefits are worth both the trouble and the time.

They can show off more of the human side of the competitors, especially to casual viewers who don't follow the scene closely. Interviewers can also ask about key moments in a match, to get the players' thoughts about them. It's also an opportunity for players to promote their own sponsors - increasing the value of sponsoring (winning) players beyond just wearing shirts at a tournament.

 

[djplaeskool]

Evo and other fighting game tournaments should incorporate winner interviews. I guess for smaller tournaments it could be hard to arrange for all the necessary translators, but the benefits are worth both the trouble and the time.

They can show off more of the human side of the competitors, especially to casual viewers who don't follow the scene closely. Interviewers can also ask about key moments in a match, to get the players' thoughts about them. It's also an opportunity for players to promote their own sponsors - increasing the value of sponsoring (winning) players beyond just wearing shirts at a tournament.

CEO tried this, and personally, it didn't really add much value.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Where is the Reynald gif of him smiling and nodding? He was killing it.

 

[Ledsen]

Can't read the thread for fear of spoilers but WHERE IS THE SECOND HALF OF THE SF4 FINALS? I'm in the middle of Infiltration vs PR Rog and the archives stop right there please pm me if you have a link, thanks guys

 

[shas'la]

Can't read the thread for fear of spoilers but WHERE IS THE SECOND HALF OF THE SF4 FINALS? I'm in the middle of Infiltration vs PR Rog and the archives stop right there please pm me if you have a link, thanks guys

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/b/430438070 start at about 11 hours and move forward from there.

 

[Karsticles]

CEO tried this, and personally, it didn't really add much value.

Indeed. The chick doing the interviews even said "I give up" after a while.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Games for next year:

USF4 - given. Most entrants, bunch of viewers (especially when you factor in all the restreams.)
UMVC3 - no question, entrants and most viewers.
Injustice - comes back as the SFxT: had a bunch of entrants, but nobody really enjoyed watching it. Also, WB helps pay for the ballroom so no reason to doubt it's return.
Melee - Earned a repeat spot. Entrants, viewers, and everyone was on their best behavior. In my mind the only question is melee or New Smash.
SFxT - unless something amazing happens at VxG pack it up. I've always enjoyed the game, and it still got a good number of entrants but nobody wanted to watch it and it really felt like everyone "also" entered SFxT.
Persona: Bananaken saved it this year, but we all know there can only be one Anime game. Now that BB and GG stuff is coming out it's highlander time.
KOF: always has amazing Finals. Still had a strong number of entrants this year. I
MK9 dead. Was dying before injustice. Wasn't very exciting to watch people that hadn't played the game in months go through the motions this year. Only reason to run it again is to pay for the ballroom with WB money.
Tekken Tag 2: Tekken community kind of blew it this year. I understand that Tekken is mostly an east coast thing, but Evo is your opportunity to grab new people and play all the international players. Sad to see so many people stay home. Only Namco and Markman can save them now.
Skullgirls: had a good tournament. Severin brought the hype. Still has a big uphill battle to get some solid numbers at majors and get a full spot.

New Smash probably won't be out until next fall/holiday, that's why the crowd was chanting "one more year!" for Melee. It'll be there, unless Nintendo lawyers get silly again.

I really wish VF5:FS had caught on over here, but FGC seems dead set against 3D fighters for some reason. Even Tekken's flaming out with underwhelming sales for Tag 2. Which sucks, because watching episodes of Tekken Crash out of Korea is some of the most hype matches I've ever seen of anything.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of community Injustice builds. Nether realm were really active in promoting it to get the tournament scene going, we'll see how strong that still is a year from now.

On a similar note, it'll be interesting to see if MS spends money to promote KI3 and have it there. It's always been more of a casual/fun fighter than a tournament thing.

On the other hand, on the plus side I'm really glad to see KoF finally getting some real traction after all these years.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

 

[Ledsen]

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/b/430438070 start at about 11 hours and move forward from there.

That's so weird, I guess I had the stream loaded up from before the stream was over, and it got added to the end or something... THANKS!!!

 

[Beats]

This EVO has definitely pushed me over the edge to go next year. I was always sort of content to just watch the streams. But, now I feel like I should go at least once. :x

I'll probably get bodied, but whatever lol.

 

[kirblar]

They should seriously have a second EVO in the winter. Only once a year just isn't enough. I know there are smaller events during the year, but they're not the same.

That's what TFC is aiming to be.

 

[shas'la]

That's so weird, I guess I had the stream loaded up from before the stream was over, and it got added to the end or something... THANKS!!!

no problem man, i had to do the exact same thing as you in this thread earlier without hitting any spoilers!

 

[WanderingWind]

I'm better at SSIV than UMvC3 simply because SSIV is on the PC.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Evo and other fighting game tournaments should incorporate winner interviews. I guess for smaller tournaments it could be hard to arrange for all the necessary translators, but the benefits are worth both the trouble and the time.

They can show off more of the human side of the competitors, especially to casual viewers who don't follow the scene closely. Interviewers can also ask about key moments in a match, to get the players' thoughts about them. It's also an opportunity for players to promote their own sponsors - increasing the value of sponsoring (winning) players beyond just wearing shirts at a tournament.

Some groups like Cross Counter do interviews, but off-stream and after the fact.

Generally I think it's best that that stuff is shuffled out of the limelight and the tournament focuses on just running through everything in rapid succession, as they always tend to be pressed for time anyway.

 

[Shouta]

For everyone that's wondering, SFxT was pretty shitted on by the Evo planning folks. Setups didn't have the update or DLC chars so we got delayed. The stream setup and finals setup were in the corner and never got any stage time either. Pretty typical bullshit.

Pool play was still pretty amazing though but there really is no defense for treating a game like that, regardless of personal feelings toward the game.

 

[Gunstarheroes]

EVO is way too Hollywood

 

[Brobzoid]

For everyone that's wondering, SFxT was pretty shitted on by the Evo planning folks. Setups didn't have the update or DLC chars so we got delayed. The stream setup and finals setup were in the corner and never got any stage time either. Pretty typical bullshit.

Pool play was still pretty amazing though but there really is no defense for treating a game like that, regardless of personal feelings toward the game.

Are the finals on the twitch/evo3 archives?

 

[Shouta]

Are the finals on the twitch/evo3 archives?

It should be yeah.