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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I thought this was interesting:

Rockets points per possession allowed via NBAwowy

Harden on-court, Asik off: 1.154
Harden off-court, Asik off: 1.105
Harden on-court, Asik on: 1.054
Harden off-court, Asik on: .968 (this group had low minutes with 400, however, so this last number could be fluky)

It made me remember how good Asik was defensively last year and how comically bad Harden was at times on defense (even though Harden's presence obviously wasn't the only factor in those numbers, but I think he did affect them since he made so many mistakes last year it seemed). Harden needs to step it up this year on D for the Rockets to really be a great team, a team needs to offer a really good power forward for Asik.

 

[Emwitus]

how old are you?

serious question.

Was going to ask the same

 

[Doc Holliday]

I thought this was interesting:

Rockets points per possession allowed via NBAwowy

Harden on-court, Asik off: 1.154
Harden on-court, Asik on: 1.054
Harden off-court, Asik on: .968 (this group had low minutes, however, so this last number could be fluky)

It made me remember how good Asik was defensively last year and how comically bad Harden was at times on defense (even though Harden's presence obviously wasn't the only factor in those numbers, but I think he did affect them since he made so many mistakes last year it seemed). Harden needs to step it up this year on D for the Rockets to really be a great team, a team needs to offer a really good power forward for Asik.

Asik is awesome on defense. The Bulls are going to miss him badly this year :/ Boozer for Asik straight up heheheh

 

[MVP]

This shit is getting tired. If MJ had to face great players like Boris Diaw in the Finals he'd be 0-6.

I like how you picked the worst player from one of the greatest teams in recent history to make your point. Good job.

Yea....Bron has faced way tougher competition these past 3 Finals journeys.

You keep stating actual facts in a sarcastic manner, I don't know why. The Jazz were good, who else? Barkley and the Suns? Drexler? Kemp? Stop it, please.

how old are you?

serious question.

Turning 30 in a couple of months, you? (I'm guessing you'll ignore this)

 

[zychi]

Anyone have any experiences with NBA League Pass on Xfinity/Comcast? The Broadband version is apparently the same price as the whole she-bang, and I'm thinking of purchasing it this year. (189 before the season starts for both versions)

 

[Blackace]

It was.

90s NBA was some of the finest basketball played

Late 80s thru 90s is beastly ball


The Suns Sonics Rockets Jazz Spurs Pacers Knicks Magic would run amuck today

Even the aging Lakers Celtics and Trailblazers would be very good today

 

[Blackace]

You keep stating actual facts in a sarcastic manner, I don't know why. The Jazz were good, who else? Barkley and the Suns? Drexler? Kemp? Stop it, please.



Turning 30 in a couple of months, you? (I'm guessing you'll ignore this)

Barkley awesome

Malone awesome

GP/KEMP awesome

Yup

36 now I have seen them all

 

[zychi]

90s NBA was some of the finest basketball played

Late 80s thru 90s is beastly ball


The Suns Sonics Rockets Jazz Spurs Pacers Knicks Magic would run amuck today

Even the aging Lakers Celtics and Trailblazers would be very good today

Now let's name all the great teams Lebron has faced.
The Lakers? Never got to the ship against them
Got owned by Boston when they were good(when he quit at the free throw line).
Played a shitty Orl team led by Jameer and D12 and lost.
Got swept by Prime Spurs
Struggled against a broken Bulls team without their star
Struggled against an old Spurs team
Lost to the 1 and done Mavs.

#LBJGOAT

 

[Doc Holliday]

Anyone have any experiences with NBA League Pass on Xfinity/Comcast? The Broadband version is apparently the same price as the whole she-bang, and I'm thinking of purchasing it this year. (189 before the season starts for both versions)

I had some issues cancelling the subscription. It;'s run like a porn site! They make it really difficult to cancel. I had to email and eventually call them in order for them to cancel.

 

[SephCast]

I believe the first game is on NBA tv, so you should be good if you have basic cable. League pass is a bit of scam bro. Good luck trying to cancel it! They will try real hard to make it impossible for you. Also too many damn blackouts :/ That being said, I might have to sign up again. Being a bulls fan in the OC sucks lol.

Unfortunately I cut the cord, so no NBATV games for me.

 

[MVP]

90s NBA was some of the finest basketball played

Late 80s thru 90s is beastly ball


The Suns Sonics Rockets Jazz Spurs Pacers Knicks Magic would run amuck today

Even the aging Lakers Celtics and Trailblazers would be very good today

We must have been watching a different game then because defense back then was a joke. People confuse cheap shots and being able to get away with more back then as meaning it was a tougher era, but it wasn't.

Actual defense was a joke, and that's why MJ was so hard to stop, because once you couldn't bully him like the Pistons did because he had the refs in his back pocket, no one knew how to actually play defense against him. MJ would have been good in the 80s and good now, but only in the soft-ass 90's could he turn out to be "greatest of all-time".

ib4 someone posts about one single strong defensive player in the league at the time

 

[MVP]

Barkley awesome for a weak era

Malone awesome for a weak era

GP/KEMP exciting but not championship caliber

fixed

 

[zychi]

We must have been watching a different game then because defense back then was a joke. People confuse cheap shots and being able to get away with more back then as meaning it was a tougher era, but it wasn't.

Actual defense was a joke, and that's why MJ was so hard to stop, because once you couldn't bully him like the Pistons did because he had the refs in his back pocket, no one knew how to actually play defense against him. MJ would have been good in the 80s and good now, but only in the soft-ass 90's could he turn out to be "greatest of all-time".

ib4 someone posts about one single strong defensive player in the league at the time

Kinda like how Lebron runs through the lane like a running back, elbows and shoulders into the defenders and doesnt get called? Or are you saying MJ got all the calls, like LBJ does when he flops when 5'10 185 Hinirch touches him?

e: dont forget lebron's whining when the bulls got physical with him and that amazing flop and slide when nazr pushed him.

 

[Blackace]

Being able to manhandle a player is the greatest advantage a player could have.


Trying to spin like they didn't know how to play D is one of the dumbest I have seen written about basketball...

That's baffling

 

[Tragicomedy]

This last page proves that LVP knows nothing about basketball. Nothing.

If you take everything he writes and LITERALLY say the exact opposite, you'd be correct.

I doubt he even watched the sport prior to the Decision.

 

[Blackace]

fixed

Not a weak era

5 centers that would destroy the NBA today is a weak era?

2 SGs who few could check today weak era?

You broke my true statement

 

[Doc Holliday]

Not a weak era

5 centers that would destroy the NBA today is a weak era?

2 SGs who few could check today weak era?

You broke my true statement

the thing I find baffling is that Jordan played in the 90's! Not the 60's Many of the same players he played against went on to beat Lebron or at least compete with him. It wasn't that long ago. Jordan played in the same league with Kobe, Shaq, Nowitzki, and Duncan! Only thing that has changed is more expansion teams and rule changes that help the offense all of which help Lebron.

 

[Dominican Power]

Jordan took most of his lumps in the 80's. No surprise there.

 

[MVP]

Not a weak era

5 centers that would destroy the NBA today is a weak era?

Today's NBA is not a big man's game, it's historically weak in the middle, what's your point?

 

[Blackace]

Today's NBA is not a big man's game, it's historically weak in the middle, what's your point?

You made my point

Thanks

 

[MVP]

Jordan took most of his lumps in the 80's. No surprise there.

And came out of it with exactly 0 rings after like 5 or 6 tries. Let's not focus on that, let's focus only on his "6/6 Finals record". Selective memory.

 

[MVP]

You made my point

Thanks

Oh I didn't know MJ was guarded by centers, I take back my argument then. #MJGoat

 

[Doc Holliday]

Today's NBA is not a big man's game, it's historically weak in the middle, what's your point?

Lebron's game is all about bullying smaller players inside. That wouldn't happen against Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson or even Luc Lonley

Ok maybe not Luc lol

One thing I will never take away from Lebron. That mofo has amazing court vision! That's why I always compare him to Scottie, Magic and Penny, not Jordan. He's a linebacker version of those guys.

Kobe to me is the true heir to Jordan, and if Iverson was taller he would be also. personality wise.

 

[Blackace]

Besides most historians consider the 90s and 80s the greatest decades of basketball... with 2010s shaping up to being better than 2000s 70s and 60s

 

[reilo]

Lebron would get shut down by Duckworth and Buck Williams with ease. I won't even mention the actually properly good big men of that era. If Alonzo was born 10 years later, he'd be ten times the player Dwight is given how shit the big men are today.

Do we also forget that Jordan took it to Ewing and Shaq back-to-back before he even reached the Finals that year?

 

[Blackace]

Oh I didn't know MJ was guarded by centers, I take back my argument then. #MJGoat

Well they did play on teams

And those teams were strong because they were anchored by beastly centers

The Heat didn't lose to the Mavs due to a 1 on 1 battle between LBJ and Dirk...

 

[MVP]

Lebron's game is all about bullying smaller players inside. That wouldn't happen against Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson or even Luc Lonley

Why not? Anything MJ could physically do, Lebron could do even better. I didn't think Lebrons physical advantage over MJ was even questioned, but I guess I stand corrected. The fact Lebron doesn't have to face any real dominant centers is not his fault.

 

[Dominican Power]

And came out of it with exactly 0 rings after like 5 or 6 tries. Let's not focus on that, let's focus only on his "6/6 Finals record". Selective memory.

Okay? What's your point? There were a lot of great teams in The 80's, what's LeBron's excuse?

 

[Blackace]

Lebron would get shut down by Duckworth and Buck Williams with ease. I won't even mention the actually properly good big men of that era. If Alonzo was born 10 years later, he'd be ten times the player Dwight is given how shit the big men are today.

Do we also forget that Jordan took it to Ewing and Shaq back-to-back before he even reached the Finals that year?

But they didn't guard MJ so they weren't good teams (?)

 

[reilo]

But they didn't guard MJ so they weren't good teams (?)

*slowclap.gif*

 

[MVP]

One thing I will never take away from Lebron. That mofo has amazing court vision! That's why I always compare him to Scottie, Magic and Penny, not Jordan. He's a linebacker version of those guys.

Kobe to me is the true heir to Jordan, and if Iverson was taller he would be also. personality wise.

Well I've always thought LBJ was more like Magic than Jordan, but since casual NBA viewers have crowned Jordan the greatest of all-time, direct comparisons have to be made. It isn't a given that Jordan is better than Magic either, but whatever. We'll stick to MJ vs. Lebron since that's what's interesting.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Magic > LBJ

 

[Blackace]

Well I've always thought LBJ was more like Magic than Jordan, but since casual NBA viewers have crowned Jordan the greatest of all-time, direct comparisons have to be made. It isn't a given that Jordan is better than Magic either, but whatever. We'll stick to MJ vs. Lebron since that's what's interesting.

Right now for me

It's

MJ
Magic
Dream
TD/Kobe
Bird
Zeke
Then maybe we talk about LBJ


Of course Russel Wilt and KAJ should also be considered
West is overrated imo

 

[MVP]

Okay? What's your point? There were a lot of great teams in The 80's, what's LeBron's excuse?

Why would he need one?

I see a lot more accomplishments so far for Lebron at this age. Let's not even start with 4 MVPs so far. This kid is far more dominant at this stage of his career than MJ was, and it's ridiculous how people out there still don't appreciate it, but nostalgists gonna nostalge.

 

[Dominican Power]

Big O, Kareem, and Wilt belong at the very top.

 

[Blackace]

Why would he need one?

I see a lot more accomplishments so far for Lebron at this age. Let's not even start with 4 MVPs so far. This kid is far more dominant at this stage of his career than MJ was, and it's ridiculous how people out there still don't appreciate it, but nostalgists gonna nostalge.

4 MVPs in a weaker league

 

[Blackace]

Big O, Kareem, and Wilt belong at the very top.

Wilt is also overrated imo

And mostly my ranking is from my 30 years of watching I guess

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

LeBron is definitely better than Bird if you agree that LeBron's defense is elite and that Bird's was average. LeBron has already matched or surpassed Bird in career accolades and statistics and has a large advantage at half of basketball.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Why would he need one?

I see a lot more accomplishments so far for Lebron at this age. Let's not even start with 4 MVPs so far. This kid is far more dominant at this stage of his career than MJ was, and it's ridiculous how people out there still don't appreciate it, but nostalgists gonna nostalge.

That pic is hilarious since the latter half of MJs career is legendary. If Bron wins 4 more titles that'd be amazing.

 

[reilo]

LeBron is definitely better than Bird if you agree that LeBron's defense is elite and that Bird's was average. LeBron has already matched or surpassed Bird in career accolades and statistics and has a large advantage at half of basketball.

Yeah but Larry Bird is white.

That pic is hilarious since the latter half of MJs career is legendary. If Bron wins 4 more titles that'd be amazing.

Not to mention that the only reason voters stopped giving Jordan more regular season MVPs was because they just said "he's already got his".

 

[MVP]

4 MVPs in a weaker league

At 22 when Jordan was just starting his run of squeaking into the playoffs and first round exits, Lebron was putting his team on his shoulders and leading a bunch of nobodies to the Finals, on some grown people shit. People love to talk about iron will, if that ain't it then I don't know what is.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Why not? Anything MJ could physically do, Lebron could do even better. I didn't think Lebrons physical advantage over MJ was even questioned, but I guess I stand corrected. The fact Lebron doesn't have to face any real dominant centers is not his fault.

Jordan was faster and had a quicker first step. Lebron is taller and stronger. Hops I say it's a wash cause Lebron is taller but Jordan jumped higher. Jordan might have bigger hands but whatever. They both durable as fuck!

However Jordan's advantage over Lebron and most players was his smarts/heart/skills whatever you want to call it.

LBJ vs Bird is tough for me. Cause damn I saw Bird do shit as when he was already old that to this day make my jaw drop. When I see Lebron do amazing things, I'm not surprised because he's bigger and stronger than everyone else. But Bird and Magic...fuck!

 

[Tragicomedy]

Oh I didn't know MJ was guarded by centers, I take back my argument then. #MJGoat

It's called protecting the rim. Have you ever played basketball? Mourning, Mutombo, Dream, Ewing, Shaq, the Admiral...would all pack LBJ's shit. Having a talented big man protecting the rim completely changes how you approach scoring.

LBJ doesn't have to contend with anyone of that caliber.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

LeBron is definitely better than Bird if you agree that LeBron's defense is elite and that Bird's was average. LeBron has already matched or surpassed Bird in career accolades and statistics and has a large advantage at half of basketball.

Bron will almost undoubtedly be seen as better than Bird when he hangs it up but at the moment they're basically neck and neck in my eyes.

 

[Blackace]

LeBron is definitely better than Bird if you agree that LeBron's defense is elite and that Bird's was average. LeBron has already matched or surpassed Bird in career accolades and statistics and has a large advantage at half of basketball.

Bird and Miller get props for being as gifted as Adam Morrison but still balling

 

[reilo]

At 22 when Jordan was just starting his run of squeaking into the playoffs and first round exits, Lebron was putting his team on his shoulders and leading a bunch of nobodies to the Finals, on some grown people shit. People love to talk about iron will, if that ain't it then I don't know what is.

At 22 as an NBA rookie?

 

[MVP]

That pic is hilarious since the latter half of MJs career is legendary. If Bron wins 4 more titles that'd be amazing.

It'll be shocking if he doesn't. He may not win them with Wade, but if he can take the Cavs to the Finals, he can go with anyone. It doesn't matter, that's how good he is.

 

[Blackace]

At 22 when Jordan was just starting his run of squeaking into the playoffs and first round exits, Lebron was putting his team on his shoulders and leading a bunch of nobodies to the Finals, on some grown people shit. People love to talk about iron will, if that ain't it then I don't know what is.

In a league that gave Nash 2 MVPs

 

[reilo]

Lebron got his shit pushed in by Jason Terry in the Finals. GOAT.

 

[Blackace]

At 22 as an NBA rookie?

lol

MJ had already carried NBA talent to chip before that