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New PS3 Exclusive Revealed Next Week On GTTV (Superbot's PS All-Stars)
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Marvel vs Capcom doesn't look Street Fighter X Tekken or Capcom vs SNK or The King of Fighters, and so on.
This however, looks very much like Super Smash Bros.
I see. Conceptually, I agree.
This all seems reasonable to me. Furthermore, we don't really know yet to what degree this game apes Super Smash Brothers.
LightofRohan
Member
What? Yes they do.
Oh well, this debate will rage on for a while I believe. Hopefully it's playable at E3!
Yea, graphically it's not that exciting. But since they are a new developer I'll give them the benefit of my lack of knowledge. But, it seems they are still hiring folks (seems like they need heavy UI artists) and they are relatively close to SSM and have been getting some support -- so it could come together.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
And there's nothing wrong with that. Squint your eyes and you can't tell a difference.
FullMetalx
Banned
How do we defeat the characters? Do the just die or will there be some kind of system to knock them off the stage?
Also Nintendo fans
Mario golf=hot shots golf
It really doesn't matter if companies are bow wowing ideas from each other.
Also Nintendo fans
Mario golf=hot shots golf
It really doesn't matter if companies are bow wowing ideas from each other.
Tripping, fuck yeah.
Because I don't really care for smash bros. And something that looks just like it isn't hype worthy to me.
Oh maybe ambitious isn't the right word, but I think they set up some work for themselves with three different supers for every character.
I'm not saying it'll be bad because it looks similar, I just think it does.
Whether it'll be good or not, nobody can say.
TMNT Smash Up was also very similar, but I can't really think of anything else.
Actually, they look great.
Incendiary
Banned
Exactly, that's why I'm waiting for more gameplay information. Are special moves going to be Hadoken/SRK inputs? Or will there be a special move button? Is it one button for all attacks, or are their low, high, etc.? Punches vs. kicks? What kind of combo potential will there be? I think those things will really determine just how much this is copying Smash Bros, so to speak.
One here, but many more in other places. I completely agree though about it being same thing, but I always thought there needs to be more games like that in popular franchises. For example, there is vote-based fight-off going on reddit about Mass Effect characters: http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/shz0v/grand_mass_effect_squad_tournament_directory/
I'm sure everyone over there would play Bioware's SSB rip-off gladly. Instead, we'll probably get f2p browser tie-in game down the road, or maybe FPS spin-off, which will probably also be clones of something out there, but no one will care because there are just so many of those types of games, most of which don't even make it out of their developers' countries or specific neglected platforms.
Hm, so far it looks decent (if a bit washed out but that might be the stream). The Dreamscape stage looks fantastic and actually made me smile as I was watching it.
Two criticisms I have, but I could easily be wrong:
1) The use of a lifebar/hitpoints for the characters. This might just be me, but the way that Smash Brothers defined the genre (yes Genre, don't pretend like there hasn't been more than one game that is obviously aping Smash Brothers) by using the percentage/bounce height system has yet to be topped. Such a system, that modifies in game variables, is highly addictive and dynamic over just having a health bar.
Though the use of health bars might make this slightly more of a 'fighter' since players probably won't be able to abuse bounce heights and the like.
2) Outlines - Instead of having to resort to this, more careful attention should be paid to color balancing. Something to hope for with All Stars 2 whenever that comes out.
I'm hyped for this game, to be sure, and their own spin on the Genre might just end up being great, rather than merely good.
Two criticisms I have, but I could easily be wrong:
1) The use of a lifebar/hitpoints for the characters. This might just be me, but the way that Smash Brothers defined the genre (yes Genre, don't pretend like there hasn't been more than one game that is obviously aping Smash Brothers) by using the percentage/bounce height system has yet to be topped. Such a system, that modifies in game variables, is highly addictive and dynamic over just having a health bar.
Though the use of health bars might make this slightly more of a 'fighter' since players probably won't be able to abuse bounce heights and the like.
2) Outlines - Instead of having to resort to this, more careful attention should be paid to color balancing. Something to hope for with All Stars 2 whenever that comes out.
I'm hyped for this game, to be sure, and their own spin on the Genre might just end up being great, rather than merely good.
No. They don't. They look forced. The combinations make no sense on an aesthetic level. Patapon plus the Hydra from God of War (or whatever the combination was) -- it looked hideous. Character models aside -- the overall art-style looks incredibly lackluster and nonsensical.
Man, you're better than Pachter in your analytical skills. To discern all the information you needed to make that statement from a small amount of gameplay is quite impressive.
People can't wait more than 30 seconds to write a game off and know everything about it. We don't have to go to the extremes yet, but people do so right away.
LightofRohan
Member
saltine161
Member
This health bar stuff will take away all cloneness of Super Smash Bros. hopefully this is fixed, and make it percentages and make it awesome
So what are you arguing that A) it isn't clearly copying SSB or B) that copying a bad game can't possibly result in a bad game?
Ill end up buying this just so I can beat the shit out of Kratos with various characters.
Plus I like me some Smash Bros.
Net_Wrecker
Member
You're ALWAYS going to have clashing in this sort of game, even Smash Bros does. The main issue is how hazy the stages look and how muted the colors are. Amplified by the fact that the characters have highlighted auras around them and look significantly sharper than the backgrounds.
They aren't even health bars, they're increasing. They have to be super meters. I don't understand how damage works from this footage.
ArisenDragon
Member
Everytime there is a big reveal there always has to be criticisms if you don't have anything intelligent to say then don't say anything at all.
Choppasmith
Member
That was my thoughts exactly, I have to say it's a really cool thing to see as you, surprisingly, don't really see it in a lot of crossover fighters.
Aside form the initial "Wow, yep, this game was definitely inspired by Smash all right" reaction. I'm really looking forward to seeing what this game could do. Yeah there have been a few Smash clones already, but as mentioned earlier, this is the first ambitious 1st party Smash clone that might not be just a cheap licensing rip off like Digimon Rumble Arena (which I enjoyed playing) or that Cartoon Network title.
Yeah. Going between two threads is annoying.
superpickleman
Member
EDIT: Wrong spot.
Everything that I can think of off the top of my head
Jump SuperStars
Jump Ultimate Stars
DreamMix TV World Fighters
TNMT Smash Up
Playstation Allstars
Naruto (the game eludes me at the moment)
Onimusha Blade Warriors
I'm not arguing either of those. I'm saying it's a little early to write a game off either way. Once again, taken to the extreme as if I said it's already an awesome game when I said it's a little early to say it won't do anything better than shamelessly copy off of SSB.
It can join the genre without being a carbon clone. I think they can manage to pull off something more unique than the TMNT fighting game...
All I'm saying is it's extremely early for everyone to write a game off and this place turns into those statements every single time a game is revealed. We don't have to draw lines and pick our sides.
new thread?
Keep in mind I did say probably and further went on to say that at the very least they presumably wouldn't include anything as asinine as tripping. I'm just not particularly impressed by what we have seen, and I feel that copying from a franchise that has seen better days might not be the best plan. I'd rather be skeptical and end up pleasantly surprised than expecting more and ending up disappointed.
Game looks damn fun, so many character possibilities with this game. I might have to go to sleep on it for awhile, because playing the guessing game with this roster is going to drive me nuts.
The potential for the music, the stage combinations, the boss fights, online functionality, and a bunch of other stuff could make this a really great game. Cant wait to see more, which I will assume will be at E3.
Announce this for Vita Sony!
JUST to be entirely fair, the original Hot Shots Golf dev team is the same one that made Mario Golf.
Glass Rebel
Member
Can we have a Smash Bros./All-Stars Garbage thread? Pretty please?
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
From blog aswell...
do it please, I beg of you lol
jump_button
Banned
-_- Could they clone Smash bros any more? talk about a out right clone try and do your own thing geez
Even if you're a big Sony fan you have to admit the roster is pretty underwhelming so far. Sweet Tooth vs Fat Princess? Who cares? I like Parappa but he hasn't had a game in ten years.
Smash Bros has smaller characters like Olimar and the Ice Climbers, but the poster boys are always heavy hitters like Mario, Link, Kirby, etc. Widely beloved characters with rich history.
For the debut of this game Sony decided to show off... some guy from Killzone?
Smash Bros has smaller characters like Olimar and the Ice Climbers, but the poster boys are always heavy hitters like Mario, Link, Kirby, etc. Widely beloved characters with rich history.
For the debut of this game Sony decided to show off... some guy from Killzone?
Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur have already released
Im only decent at these pseudo fighting games.
I only have one other fighting game because it was cute and thats Arcana Heart 3. And I SUCK at it.