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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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RatskyWatsky

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Instead of them choosing another duo of generic white dude actors, I'd like to see them go a completely different route in season two:

Why not go for a gritty Ms. Marple vibe with an older actress?

A set of young leads for a
dark gritty nihilistic antihero
Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys sort of thing?

Or should they even do two leads again? Why not a detective ensemble? Or maybe they could just focus on one character?

Personally, I think they should do a Pet Psychic Detective series starring that dog from American Horror Story (who is already groomed for anthology television).
 
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Cornballer

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This has all been posted before, but I compiled a few comments on S2 from Pizzolatto:

Daily Beast interview:
Is it hard writing the second season after putting everything and the kitchen sink into the first?

Now I feel like I’m in a really sweet spot where I can really go nuts. Like, I bought myself some credibility. One of my goals for Season Two is more authentic, faster—and stranger. It’s going to get stranger.

I’ll be honest, though: if I get to do this two more times, I could see calling it a day. Because I basically have to reinvent the wheel every new season. Every first episode is a pilot. I’ve got to win people over again.

Has it been challenging to create a new character who can stand toe to toe with Cohle?

I got him.

You do?

That’s when I start to know when I’m off to the races—when I’m in love again. And it’s not in love with an idea. I’m in love with a character. A character just did something on a page that made me sit up and go, “Now you’re becoming a dimensional human being to me, and I’m interested.”

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Tell me about the character you’re excited about for Season Two.

I’ve got three characters I like, actually.

And they’re nothing like Rust Cohle?

Nothing. I’ve been told not to reveal anything else about Season Two because none of this is approved. I might hand it in to my paymasters and they’ll be like, “What the hell is this?”

I have lived for two years with this show. Now that it’s out, I’m able to look back on and think, “God that was crazy. What was I thinking?” If I had know the sheer amount of work that would have been entailed, I would have been like, “Fuck yeah, I need a couple of other writers, a good supervising producer, I need this, I need that…”

And yet you’re doing it the same way again.

Yeah, because I have to live up to Season One. Because people liked it. It would be a different story if nobody had noticed True Detective, or if it just had a small cult following. But in order to make the second season as full and dense and rich as the first … I don’t know any other way to do it. So I think I’m going to have to do it again.
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LA Times interview:
While not explicitly basing some of the show's more morose musings — they often cover men struggling with loyalty, duty, faith and mortality — on his own life, he certainly drew from his own moody philosophy. The series continues his early preoccupation with death (he calls it one of his "governing obsessions as an artist") not just the procedural but also the characters' own deaths, literal and figurative.

"You can probably tell I don't give a ... about serial killers, and I certainly don't care to engage in some sort of creative cultural competition for who can invent the most disgusting kind of serial killer," he said. "This is just a vehicle. You could have engaged the same obsessions in a doughnut shop. But the show probably wouldn't have sold."
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Deadline:
“If we got to do it again, the setting would be a major character, along with our leads,” with the show set in a place “you wouldn’t normally set a television show,” Pizzolatto said at TCA earlier this month. “I tried to make the format as broad for my tastes as possible in the sense that this is almost the True Detective version of a buddy-cop movie hunting for a serial killer. And there could be a season that’s much more of a widespread conspiracy thriller, a season that’s a small-town murder mystery, a season where nobody is murdered and it’s a master criminal versus a rogue detective or something. Even the title, True Detective, is meant to be, of course, purposefully somewhat generic – the word “true” can also mean honorable and authentic and things like that. So as long as there is some crime in there, I think the series format can approach it.”
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Nola.com interview:
Pizzolatto’s preliminary thinking about Season 2 sets those episodes in California, so we may own “True Detective” only for a little while.
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Also, Sepinwall commented yesterday on Twitter that HBO might wait to get the cast set for S2 before announcing the renewal, so it could be a while yet.
 
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TheOddOne

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And there could be a season that’s much more of a widespread conspiracy thriller, a season that’s a small-town murder mystery, a season where nobody is murdered and it’s a master criminal versus a rogue detective or something.
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Mmm...
 
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HalfBakedProphet

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Season 2 involves brand new detectives, totally new story. Season 3 is the new detectives teaming up with Marty to take down a vigilante Rust who has gone off the deep end, killing seedy drug dealers and anyone he considers the dregs of society.

Edit: thanks for putting those links together, Cornballer. I'm glad Pizzolatto isn't changing the way he writes for the upcoming season, as difficult as that may be
 
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TheOddOne

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RatskyWatsky said:
ZOMG

Sly Cooper VS. Carmelita Fox

:O

Sony throw all of your money at HBO for a neo noir cell shaded animated series!
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raindoc

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re: "master criminal" - done to death and IMO not fitting with the "true detective" motive. keep it to serial killers, small town murders etc. - stuff that focuses on the human drama. Master criminal sounds too much like Blacklist/Bond & Co for my taste. A relatively small scale crime that's investigated by a limited number of detectives is perfect. Keep focusing on the human drama, not the crime.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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TheOddOne said:
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I don't know what that means.

raindoc said:
re: "master criminal" - done to death and IMO not fitting with the "true detective" motive. keep it to serial killers, small town murders etc.
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Serial killers, small town murders, et al have been done. to. death. too though.

stuff that focuses on the human drama. Master criminal sounds too much like Blacklist/Bond & Co for my taste.
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You can't have "human drama" centered around a criminal?
 
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RatskyWatsky

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TheOddOne said:
Just mad about that ugly looking Sly Cooper movie. Looks tuuuuurible.
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I think it looks okay, but I wish Sony had given their IPs (Ratchet, Sly) to a more competent and talented studio. "From the studio that brought you 'Escape from Planet Earth'"? Really?/derail
 
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HalfBakedProphet

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see5harp said:
Master criminal sounds incredibly stupid to me. Like something in Dexter.
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Dexter as written by Pizzolatto with the True Detective tone could be amazing. I'm not saying I'm in favor of "master criminal" angle, just saying that it could be good. And let's not forget that Dexter was actually a good show at one point because the concept was interesting, it just got driven into the ground by god awful writers
 
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The Artful Dodger

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I think the Master Criminal thing is something that hasn't been done really well in a long time, so I'm looking forward to it. Particularly if this is told from the Criminal's perspective.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
That stuff about Carcosa and the King in Yellow is so creepy.
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I'm quite interested as to how its all going to be integrated tbh. The works out of copyright now so how Pizzolatto intends to use it in terms of fitting the narrative is going to be the kicker. Either its a case that Ledoux is obsessed with the story and has built up a personal fiction around it ala Red Dragon & the Blake painting of the same name, or maybe its a case that its played straight as a cultish mythology within the world and Ledoux merely represents one step in terms of Cohle & Hart going down the river heart of darkness style to uncover it all ('so much good killing').

HalfBakedProphet said:
I love how much of this thread is us suggesting actors for the next season, lol. I hope Pizzolatto happens upon this thread at some point, GAF knows what's what
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The power of GAF knows no bounds.

@Cornballer

So much goodness to read, you really are spoiling us Ambassador. :D
 
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kirblar

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I could totally see them handing off the series/concept to a new writer at some point, in the same way you would a comic book.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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raindoc said:
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A master criminal isn't someone who steals, like, the Great Pyramids or has pet sharks with laser beams on their heads - I think it's just someone who is really good at being a criminal. Multiple bank robberies without being caught and that sort of thing.
 
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Kadayi

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RatskyWatsky said:
A master criminal isn't someone who steals, like, the Great Pyramids or has pet sharks with laser beams on their heads - I think it's just someone who is really good at being a criminal. Multiple bank robberies without being caught and that sort of thing.
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The problem is true master criminals are just that master criminals. They don't fuck up and they don't get caught. I think with ever increasing surveillance its a hard thing to pull off these days.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Kadayi said:
The problem is true master criminals are just that master criminals. They don't fuck up and they don't get caught. I think with ever increasing surveillance its a hard thing to pull off these days.
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They do get caught sometimes though
in television!
 
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Dresden

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Clearly it should be about a master criminal who masquerades as a master detective who hunts for himself during the day and evades himself by night.
 
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GQman2121

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Would Hannibal be considered a "master criminal"? Because the mind games he plays and puts Will Graham through in season 1 was boss as shit.
 
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RustyNails

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Just watched the last 15 minutes again. What a baller episode. Couple of questions:

What was that police chopper doing in the neighborhood when Ginger and gang show up?

How does Tiger/Lamarr get shot? It was too quick to notice.
 
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GQman2121

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RustyNails said:
Just watched the last 15 minutes again. What a baller episode. Couple of questions:

What was that police chopper doing in the neighborhood when Ginger and gang show up?

How does Tiger/Lamarr get shot? It was too quick to notice.
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The chopper didn't appear until the end, so obviously it came with the actual police once the shooting broke out.

Tiger may have been shot by Rust. Honestly, you're right, it all went down so fast once Marshall shot the dude in the living room and it was extremely dark in the kitchen.
 
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RustyNails

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GQman2121 said:
The chopper didn't appear until the end, so obviously it came with the actual police once the shooting broke out.
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Unless they weren't shooting in chronological order, they do show the chopper hovering as Ginger, Rust, Tiger and 2 other Iron Crusaders are driving up to the stash house. If I am not mistaken. Then shit goes down in the stash house, shots are fired, and then we hear police siren. They do show the chopper again a couple of times during Rust's escape with Ginger.
 
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Cornballer

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RustyNails said:
Unless they weren't shooting in chronological order, they do show the chopper hovering as Ginger, Rust, Tiger and 2 other Iron Crusaders are driving up to the stash house. If I am not mistaken.
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That's correct. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but it's the sort of thing I can shrug off since I'm watching the tracking shot now.
 
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Mully

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I'd really like to see this show look at a duo or team of incompetent detectives. I know that would be frustrating for the viewer, but it would be interesting to see if a writer and director could pull off a show like that and still keep it interesting while still keeping the focus on the detective.
 
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