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Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!
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Wait, he's a sorcerer? I'm not familiar with the classic Guardians team.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Ah gotcha, so he is basically just Han SOlo now with a jetpack
Well I'll be, cool.
Jest Chillin
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I wouldn't be so quick to assume Peter lost his Celestial half.
Peter is the first and only of Ego's children to even have a Celestial half, so to assume that Ego knows for certain what would happen to that part of him if Ego dies is a bit much.
Peter also wasn't immortal or impervious as far as we know due to his Celestial half. He definitely seems more durable because of it but not immortal. He was suffering from exposure when he saved Gamora in the first movie, but it was at what looks like a slower rate than he should have.
Peter is the first and only of Ego's children to even have a Celestial half, so to assume that Ego knows for certain what would happen to that part of him if Ego dies is a bit much.
Peter also wasn't immortal or impervious as far as we know due to his Celestial half. He definitely seems more durable because of it but not immortal. He was suffering from exposure when he saved Gamora in the first movie, but it was at what looks like a slower rate than he should have.
Yeah he basically survived using the infinity stone because of his celestial side.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Yeah, his dad said he'd be immortal as long as he could get back to the light in the planet because he has the celestial genome so I figure Peter can probably feed off/control any celestial light or whatever. The planet just happened to be a point where it was manifesting in the universe.
Anyone read the GotG comics? Do they say?
Anyone read the GotG comics? Do they say?
Ego's not his dad in the comic-books, so it doesn't even apply here, this is all Gunn's headcanon now.
This movie was amazing. People who liked the first film more must be smoking, this might have been Marvel's best film so far.
Also, Ego might be the only good Marvel villain besides Loki. He was more than entertaining, he had great writing, a great motivation, and an awesome plan.
Also, Ego might be the only good Marvel villain besides Loki. He was more than entertaining, he had great writing, a great motivation, and an awesome plan.
Jest Chillin
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He has a different father in the comics.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Maybe I'm crazy but I think I liked the first one better. All the Drax jokes just didn't work for me. When he was with Mantis his schtick worked but his laughing and being super literal grew stale very quickly and wasn't looking forward to when the character was on screen.
The Baby Groot intro sequence was annoying to me because it felt like it was trying to hard to push Baby Groot as a "thing" after how popular he was after the first movie. Luckily they used the character well for the rest of the movie.
I enjoyed Gamora and Nebula's plotline but jesus christ did it seem like they were trying to kill each other. It was kind of weird for them to go from that to being on good terms after firing space rockets at each other.
Ego was good, but I felt like not enough was going on on Ego, leaving me to look forward to the Yondu/Rocket story more than Peter/Gamora/Drax story. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed that story, but the Ravagers escape sequence was more interesting than anything on Ego. The movie was good, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the first.
The Baby Groot intro sequence was annoying to me because it felt like it was trying to hard to push Baby Groot as a "thing" after how popular he was after the first movie. Luckily they used the character well for the rest of the movie.
I enjoyed Gamora and Nebula's plotline but jesus christ did it seem like they were trying to kill each other. It was kind of weird for them to go from that to being on good terms after firing space rockets at each other.
Ego was good, but I felt like not enough was going on on Ego, leaving me to look forward to the Yondu/Rocket story more than Peter/Gamora/Drax story. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed that story, but the Ravagers escape sequence was more interesting than anything on Ego. The movie was good, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the first.
Why would Peter's celestial powers be linked to his dad? I mean yes he gets the celestial gene from him but why would his dad dying would leave him powerless? Shouldn't Peter be able to tap into whatever mojo Ego was tapping into for his powers?
Also I didn't quite get Ego's motivation, he wants to make every planet in the galaxy a part of him because why exactly ?
Also I didn't quite get Ego's motivation, he wants to make every planet in the galaxy a part of him because why exactly ?
Saw this Saturday night as an early Mother's Day present (good thing my mom loves the MCU and Chris Pratt). Was skeptical when I heard people saying that it was better than the first, but after watching it and ruminating on it for a bit, yeah, I have to agree it's a stronger film than GotG 1.
The primary reason is that the villain is better. Not that that's a high bar to overcome because MCU Ronan was awful on almost every conceivable level and really was just there because the movie needed a big explosive battle in the 3rd act, but Ego was actually a legitimately good character as well as a threatening antagonist. His heel turn really came out of nowhere for me and there were a lot of gasps in the audience at this tumor line. The gradual shift he had from cool dude to fucked up psychopath really worked well. Even when he was talking about how he had to leave Peter's mom behind and gave his bullshit about how he needed to go back to space for no real reason, it kinda felt off but I wasn't too sure that he was evil yet, which is I imagine how I was supposed to feel then, so good on them for nailing it.
I also heard that Baby Groot was just there to sell toys and didn't add much to the film, but aside from the opening dance number and the break-out scene, he didn't get a ton of screen-time. They could've easily Minions'd the fuck out of him, but he was mostly reserved for little cutaway gags, which I thought was nice. Not too overbearing, which I appreciate.
Not sure if this beats Winter Soldier as my #1 MCU movie, but it's at least #2.
The primary reason is that the villain is better. Not that that's a high bar to overcome because MCU Ronan was awful on almost every conceivable level and really was just there because the movie needed a big explosive battle in the 3rd act, but Ego was actually a legitimately good character as well as a threatening antagonist. His heel turn really came out of nowhere for me and there were a lot of gasps in the audience at this tumor line. The gradual shift he had from cool dude to fucked up psychopath really worked well. Even when he was talking about how he had to leave Peter's mom behind and gave his bullshit about how he needed to go back to space for no real reason, it kinda felt off but I wasn't too sure that he was evil yet, which is I imagine how I was supposed to feel then, so good on them for nailing it.
I also heard that Baby Groot was just there to sell toys and didn't add much to the film, but aside from the opening dance number and the break-out scene, he didn't get a ton of screen-time. They could've easily Minions'd the fuck out of him, but he was mostly reserved for little cutaway gags, which I thought was nice. Not too overbearing, which I appreciate.
Not sure if this beats Winter Soldier as my #1 MCU movie, but it's at least #2.
Do you have a sibling? I can tell you as the younger brother to someone five years older than me this whole dynamic is very legit. We would try to tear each other apart and five minutes later be best friends again. It's family man, that was the entire tone of the movie.
Mr. Poolman
Member
This is what my wife told me. I'm a single child, but she is the youngest of 4 brothers, and she said "yes! exactly like that! that is how brothers work!"
gutter_trash
Banned
this reminds me of another trending thread on Page 1 in OT GAF... LOL
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1374183
yeah, you don't file a charge against family unless they put you in the hospital. That is crazy stuff. I remember once when my brother was playing a racing game and I wanted on the computer so I decided to annoy him. Hovered over his shoulder hitting random keys while going, "What's this one do? What's this one do?" He then brought his fist up over his shoulder into my face. As luck would have it his knuckle went into my eye and I started bleeding from it. Looked real freaky. Just another day of being siblings though.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Ego wasn't tapping into something else. Ego was tapping into Ego. Did you listen to his story of how old and primal he is? That force is him.
I mean, it's right there in the name. His name is Ego. He is consumed by self-importance. And it also mirrors colonialism. It's not enough for the West to be the West -- the West has to try to make every other part of the world into the West too.
I lost it at "I'd force them to have a psychiatric evaluation." Actually crying with laughter
He specifically says he was tapping into the "light". Its irrelevant how old he is in this particular discussion. It's why I'm asking the question i.e. why can't Peter tap into the same light?
Yes but what is it exactly achieving ? What's his purpose behind that ego? What does he want after he makes everything his own extension? There has to be a driving factor behind an ego as well, a justification that only makes sense to him but a justification nonetheless.
Brianimaniac
Banned
That is his light. The light is his power. Why argue with the movie? It clearly establishes that without him, there is no power to tap into. It lays those rules out clearly. It does matter how old he is because the point is that there isn't something older that he's dependent on. He's it. He's as far back as that goes.
And I don't know what you're looking for in terms of an explanation for self-importance and wanting to remake things in your image. Why does western civilization want to remake the world in its image? Why do white nationalists fear the transformation of what they see as "their" culture by immigrants? It's having such a high opinion of yourself and what you represent that anything that isn't that is seen as a problem, and that your purpose is to improve it by making it like you. It's taking democracy and capitalism and Christianity and forcing it on those who didn't ask for it. Colonialism is based on believing so strongly in a right way for things to be that spreading it is a duty. And it's driven by ego and lack of empathy.
And I don't know what you're looking for in terms of an explanation for self-importance and wanting to remake things in your image. Why does western civilization want to remake the world in its image? Why do white nationalists fear the transformation of what they see as "their" culture by immigrants? It's having such a high opinion of yourself and what you represent that anything that isn't that is seen as a problem, and that your purpose is to improve it by making it like you. It's taking democracy and capitalism and Christianity and forcing it on those who didn't ask for it. Colonialism is based on believing so strongly in a right way for things to be that spreading it is a duty. And it's driven by ego and lack of empathy.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Pretty sure they showed Xandar during the part where Ego's plants are devastating different planets. That's the only time I can think of though.
I will say brothers at that age shouldn't be getting into fights like that so I feel there is some underlying issue there. My brother and I these days are much more likely to just verbally snipe at each other.
So yeah, I finally got around to checking this out earlier today.
Back in the heady summer of 2014, I was actually one of the few people who was actually left rather feeling rather cold towards the first Guardians of the Galaxy, having been left feeling particularly unsatisfied with the ”style over substance" approach that the film seemed to have taken, specifically taking issue with slapdash nature of the characterization and the trite, relatively shallow nature of the Maguffin fuelled plot with it's paper thin, Power Rangers-esque centeral antagonist. As such, I actually went into this with depressingly low expectations, especially a lot of the initial reviews seemed to downplay the sequel as a movie that was essentially just giving us more of the same.
Imagine my surprise then when this movie absolutely knocked my socks off! So much so that it might just be my favourite Marvel movie so far. It's definitely one of the very few genuinely great movies that I feel Marvel has made so far (alongside The Avengers and Captain America: Winter Solider). I had an absoloute blast watching it, feeling it was a dramatic step up from the original in almost every department.
Pros:
-The characters all really worked so much better for me this time around, with the character beats proving to be much more focused and innately personal as it used the original as a jumping off point to really go much deeper with its central past, whilst exploring their various relationships with each other in greater detail. The team just clicked for me in a way they never really did for me in the first film.
-Huzzah! The MCU Villain curse has been lifted! This time around, we got a truly great and interesting villain in the form of Ego! Easily the best Marvel character we've had on screen...I felt Kurt Russell did a wonderful job with such a strange yet surprisingly multi-faceted character. The scene where he finally revealed his plan in front of Peter with those incredibly creepy, expositional marionattes was genuinely unsettling.
-The film is visually breath-taking, utilizing a borderline orgasmic range of bright and brilliant colours to help highlight the fun, savagery and breath-taking beauty of this universe. Loved all the unique planets and the visual inventiveness of their designs (the general look and detailed architecture for Ego's world was absolutely gorgeous, I also really loved the snow planet of robot hookers)
-I thought a lot of the comedic beats were really great, with the humour for Volume 2 working for me a lot better than in the original, with Drax proving to be something of a highlight.
-Loved the much more immersive, humanising subplots that helped expand upon Yondu and Nebula's characters. Yondu's sacrifice at the end of the film legitimately got me a little teary-eyed.
-Loved the Sylvester Stallone, Howard the Duck and Stan Lee cameos, especially the general nature of the Stan Lee cameo given how it's something I've sort of been asking for for ages.
-Mantis was totally adorable and I ended up really loving her character. Props to that particular actress.
Cons:
-Gamora's character arc and related subplot were slightly weak and not very sharply defined, especially in comparison to the rest of the team. I get that she got to repair her relationship with Nebula, but that was more Nebula's story. I needed something more from Gamora.
-The film featured far too many scenes involving dramatic moments being close off by an immediate comedic beat, so much so that it began to get a little grating and far too easy to predict. I wish Gunn wouldn't be so afraid to leave some of the dramatic beats untouched without having to sully them with a countless array of forced punch-lines.
-Super nitpicky, but Ego slowly reconstructing his body got way too visually reminiscent to Doctor Manhattan for my liking, so much so I found it a bit distracting.
-Too many post-credit sequences, I think.
But yeah, after really not being a fan of the original movie, I'm really glad to finally find myself officially onboard with the Guardians of the Galaxy, so much so I'm legitimately looking forward to finding out where they end up next and will probably be rushing out to buy this film on blu ray when it finally releases.
Final rating: 9/10.
EDIT: By the way, this film did surrealistic, genuinely visually arresting cosmic imagery infinitely better than Doctor Strange.
Back in the heady summer of 2014, I was actually one of the few people who was actually left rather feeling rather cold towards the first Guardians of the Galaxy, having been left feeling particularly unsatisfied with the ”style over substance" approach that the film seemed to have taken, specifically taking issue with slapdash nature of the characterization and the trite, relatively shallow nature of the Maguffin fuelled plot with it's paper thin, Power Rangers-esque centeral antagonist. As such, I actually went into this with depressingly low expectations, especially a lot of the initial reviews seemed to downplay the sequel as a movie that was essentially just giving us more of the same.
Imagine my surprise then when this movie absolutely knocked my socks off! So much so that it might just be my favourite Marvel movie so far. It's definitely one of the very few genuinely great movies that I feel Marvel has made so far (alongside The Avengers and Captain America: Winter Solider). I had an absoloute blast watching it, feeling it was a dramatic step up from the original in almost every department.
Pros:
-The characters all really worked so much better for me this time around, with the character beats proving to be much more focused and innately personal as it used the original as a jumping off point to really go much deeper with its central past, whilst exploring their various relationships with each other in greater detail. The team just clicked for me in a way they never really did for me in the first film.
-Huzzah! The MCU Villain curse has been lifted! This time around, we got a truly great and interesting villain in the form of Ego! Easily the best Marvel character we've had on screen...I felt Kurt Russell did a wonderful job with such a strange yet surprisingly multi-faceted character. The scene where he finally revealed his plan in front of Peter with those incredibly creepy, expositional marionattes was genuinely unsettling.
-The film is visually breath-taking, utilizing a borderline orgasmic range of bright and brilliant colours to help highlight the fun, savagery and breath-taking beauty of this universe. Loved all the unique planets and the visual inventiveness of their designs (the general look and detailed architecture for Ego's world was absolutely gorgeous, I also really loved the snow planet of robot hookers)
-I thought a lot of the comedic beats were really great, with the humour for Volume 2 working for me a lot better than in the original, with Drax proving to be something of a highlight.
-Loved the much more immersive, humanising subplots that helped expand upon Yondu and Nebula's characters. Yondu's sacrifice at the end of the film legitimately got me a little teary-eyed.
-Loved the Sylvester Stallone, Howard the Duck and Stan Lee cameos, especially the general nature of the Stan Lee cameo given how it's something I've sort of been asking for for ages.
-Mantis was totally adorable and I ended up really loving her character. Props to that particular actress.
Cons:
-Gamora's character arc and related subplot were slightly weak and not very sharply defined, especially in comparison to the rest of the team. I get that she got to repair her relationship with Nebula, but that was more Nebula's story. I needed something more from Gamora.
-The film featured far too many scenes involving dramatic moments being close off by an immediate comedic beat, so much so that it began to get a little grating and far too easy to predict. I wish Gunn wouldn't be so afraid to leave some of the dramatic beats untouched without having to sully them with a countless array of forced punch-lines.
-Super nitpicky, but Ego slowly reconstructing his body got way too visually reminiscent to Doctor Manhattan for my liking, so much so I found it a bit distracting.
-Too many post-credit sequences, I think.
But yeah, after really not being a fan of the original movie, I'm really glad to finally find myself officially onboard with the Guardians of the Galaxy, so much so I'm legitimately looking forward to finding out where they end up next and will probably be rushing out to buy this film on blu ray when it finally releases.
Final rating: 9/10.
EDIT: By the way, this film did surrealistic, genuinely visually arresting cosmic imagery infinitely better than Doctor Strange.
So that he wouldn't be tempted to go to Earth and be with her
autumnleaf
Member
He says he thought if he went back to Earth one more time to see her he'd never leave and would stay with her. He kills her to remove that temptation.
DrForester
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He legitimately loved her, but he thought his mission was more important, so he killed her to remove the temptation to return.
Ah brilliant, thanks guys! Must have missed that explanation somehow.
Also, somewhat unrelated note...does anyone know the in-universe music that's playing on the snow planet where Yondu and the Ravenger's are visiting that weird space brothel? It sounded like an original piece of scorework? I remember really digging it.
wondermega
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DrForester
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I didn't find it all too surprising. He was caught up in the moment and though Peter was firmly a believer in his cause at that point.
badcrumble
Member
I think this movie definitely had some problems with outright stating things that should have stayed subtle, but it did a *way* better job with villains than the first film did with Ronan. Always felt that the low-key National Lampoon-in-space tone they were going for was better off featuring villains who are more *assholes* than outright *evil*, and this film managed to achieve that brilliantly. (Ironically, if the first film had characterized Ronan the way he is in the comics, as a humorless legalist, that would've also been a much better tonal fit)
Ego was excellent, but the Sovereign were really really well done too as, basically, self-important cosmic dickheads that nobody likes.
Ego was excellent, but the Sovereign were really really well done too as, basically, self-important cosmic dickheads that nobody likes.
Well, because it honestly wasn't that big a deal to him. On his scale, mortal life is so meaningless it doesn't even register. He assumed that, once Peter saw through his eyes, he'd understand that immediately. But Peter, by virtue of his human upbringing, still cares about the individual parts of the universe, even when seeing it on a macro scale.
Sort of a cliche but it's coherent at least.
SiegfriedFM
Member
Which is ironic considering that he keeps an empath around at all times as company.
I think it's important to distinguish between floating-brain-Ego and humanoid-avatar-Ego.
Brain-Ego created Avatar-Ego because it (being very alien) wanted to experience the human condition. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) is a conduit for Brain-Ego's power, and he needs to regularly return to Brain-Ego in order to recharge his power and remain a small-g god.
Peter is the biological son of Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell), not Brain-Ego directly, and Peter is the only child to have inherited Avatar-Ego's ability to act as a conduit for Brain-Ego's power (which offered Peter some degree of protection against the Infinity Stone, even though Peter had no recent connection to Brain-Ego and no godly power, because Peter has an uncommon ability to act as a conduit for divine power).
Brain-Ego has very little agency. It needs a human avatar in order to understand humanity, and it needs at least two power conduits (small-g gods) in order to move forward with it's expansion plan. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) was a willing conduit (and being generally human, he could have chosen not to kill Peter's mom, but he didn't).
Earlier, Avatar-Ego taught Peter how to reach down into the center of the planet and draw "light" from Brain-Ego, as Avatar-Ego regularly does. Later, Rocket/Groot killed Brain-Ego with the battery-bomb, snuffing out the flame, so there was no more light down there for either Peter or Avatar-Ego to draw upon.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
This is so well written and described for something that didn't need an argument over lol. Nicely put.
badcrumble
Member
Yep. So post-GotG2 Peter still has the ability to handle something like an Infinity Stone even though Ego is gone, but is back to not having a power source to draw on.
I like how restrained Gunn was in showing what the characters would do, but not in a cliche way. I am sure someone else would have done something like the end of the first Avengers movie where every character takes on their "role" in a fight. Drax would tank through stuff, Gamora would fight groups with overly choreographed moves, etc.
That stuff is even subverted in the opening "fight" where you don't even see it and Gamora mentions she shouldn't use a sword against an interdimensional beast (eventhrough that is what kills it in the end).
The forest fight with Rocket against the Ravagers and Yondu killing the mutineers are really the only times you get that character related action scene.
Of course it could also be Gunn writing his way out of not having to film a more "traditional" humanoid vs humanoid fight as the ones in the original GOTG are laughably bad. Take a look back at Ronin vs Drax in Knowhere or Gamora vs Nebula on the ship.
Gamora and Nebula's fight in volume 2 is really quick and straight to the point once they get to the hand to hand part.
StarCreator
Member
I think the biggest problem with this explanation is that there is nothing stopping Brain-Ego from simply creating a second avatar. Peter has to bring something to the table beyond being merely a conduit of power (executed literally in the movie when Avatar-Ego actually refers to Peter as a battery). That, alone, renders the entire conjecture invalid in my mind.
Mr. Poolman
Member
I think it's moreso that the expansion requires the energy of a celestial being. Peter, being part Celestial, can be drained such that Ego doesn't have to sacrifice his own being.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
The thing that really bothered me was that Ego said he killed his non-celestial children without causing any pain/suffering but for some reason he decided to kill Quill's mother in one of the most painful/upsetting ways possible? And even if he was lying about how he killed his children, which is certainly possible, when did he even have time to give her the brain tumor in the first place? If it was after Quill was born why didn't he simply take Quill with him at that point, and if it was before why did he risk killing her before he knew whether Quill was a celestial or not?
It seemed like an utterly contrived moment of over-the-top villainy because they had zero trust or confidence in the audience whatsoever. I mean seriously, how fucking stupid do they think we are that they felt it was necessary to pull out the old "I killed your mom" line (with cancer to boot) to establish a character's villainy and justify Quill's reaction. Apparently they didn't think Ego's plan to consume all life in the galaxy was enough of a heel turn for the audience to respond to.
And it was completely unnecessary because they had a far simpler and more elegant substitution that would have accomplished the same purpose in a more character-driven way; death by inaction. As a celestial, he easily could have cured her cancer, but a refusal to do so would have been much more in keeping his uncaring nature while still giving Peter a justification for a violent reprisal.
It seemed like an utterly contrived moment of over-the-top villainy because they had zero trust or confidence in the audience whatsoever. I mean seriously, how fucking stupid do they think we are that they felt it was necessary to pull out the old "I killed your mom" line (with cancer to boot) to establish a character's villainy and justify Quill's reaction. Apparently they didn't think Ego's plan to consume all life in the galaxy was enough of a heel turn for the audience to respond to.
And it was completely unnecessary because they had a far simpler and more elegant substitution that would have accomplished the same purpose in a more character-driven way; death by inaction. As a celestial, he easily could have cured her cancer, but a refusal to do so would have been much more in keeping his uncaring nature while still giving Peter a justification for a violent reprisal.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
Overall I rather liked it though, but oddly enough I felt the movie was at its best when it was going for character development/growth and not going for laughs. For that reason I didn't mind the lack of an overall plot/McGuffin because it was clear the overall purpose of the film was to explore relationships between the characters and their familial bonds.
What frustrated me was how frequently they had scenes which were reaching towards genuinely affecting moments of character work be abruptly interrupted by tonally inconsistent jokes. There were plenty of over-extended joke sequences (Groot looking for things, going through a million portals) that easily could have been cut down in exchange for giving those crucial scenes more time to breathe with a natural endpoint.
I mean, is it really too hard to ask that the ostensibly emotional scenes be allowed to conclude as such without having to cap them off with a dumb comedy routine? Give the audience a chance to actually experience the emotions you're trying to invoke before moving on. They basically keep training the audience not to bother taking anything seriously because everything is just treated as fodder or setup for a joke.
I'm reminded of this episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Hal is struggling with the fact he's never really had a single genuine conversation with his father (played by Christopher Llyod) because every time he tries to engage with him on a human level his father just deflects with humor/gags/tickling. Guardians has a similar problem where the second two characters start to engage with each other on an emotional level a clown tends to enter the scene trying to make us all laugh.
What frustrated me was how frequently they had scenes which were reaching towards genuinely affecting moments of character work be abruptly interrupted by tonally inconsistent jokes. There were plenty of over-extended joke sequences (Groot looking for things, going through a million portals) that easily could have been cut down in exchange for giving those crucial scenes more time to breathe with a natural endpoint.
I mean, is it really too hard to ask that the ostensibly emotional scenes be allowed to conclude as such without having to cap them off with a dumb comedy routine? Give the audience a chance to actually experience the emotions you're trying to invoke before moving on. They basically keep training the audience not to bother taking anything seriously because everything is just treated as fodder or setup for a joke.
I'm reminded of this episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Hal is struggling with the fact he's never really had a single genuine conversation with his father (played by Christopher Llyod) because every time he tries to engage with him on a human level his father just deflects with humor/gags/tickling. Guardians has a similar problem where the second two characters start to engage with each other on an emotional level a clown tends to enter the scene trying to make us all laugh.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
This is just conjecture, but he probably used the most "natural" cause of death on Earth that would both alleviate any suspicions of foul play and explain away her "crazy" talk of her "starman" lover.
And Ego has a line where he wanted to strengthen the bond between he and his children where they willingly open up to him after their mothers died.
As far as dropping the cancer bomb instead something more elegant in your opinion, it suits the theme of entire film (spreading his "tumors" throughout the universe for instance) and metaphorically killing Ego the same way he killed Peter's mother is cathartic for both Peter and the audience.
Aizo
Banned
Exactly. This is why I'm not grasping how it's misogynistic.
SchrodingerC
Member
To be fair, the numerous scenes made sitting through the huge list of credits tolerable compared to the usual formula. In fact, the goofy dancing scenes and the quick 'I am Groot' scattered about helped making the credits not so incredibly dull.