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[Bleepey]

I imagine he'll be questioned and released, but I'm fine with them taking a closer look at him.

Why? If the NRA had their way they'd allow open carry at concerts, bars, schools pretty much anywhere but their conferences.

 

[SlackAdjuster]

AFAIK, it took an additional hour+ to breach the room but he had already killed himself 10 minutes in when the guard arrived, which is kind of a miracle. I don’t know how long he planned on going or how many more lives he could have taken. Also if he planned an escape why leave a note? Are they going to release the note?

That piece of paper could be a 100 different things. Could've been a receipt. Could've been blank. Could have completely irrelevant information on it.

 

[jmdajr]

No but it alerted the front desk that someone could be smoking in the room. Security guard was probably sent there to tell the guest to quit when he noticed that the situation was completely different.

Wow!

 

[Metalgus]

Here's an article about the security guard who's being discussed in the thread :
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/us/security-guard-las-vegas-hotel/index.html

Quotes :

Jesus Campos was identified as the security guard at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, said David Hickey, president of the union that represents the hotel's security guards.

Campos had been in the building, patrolling the halls and was sent to the area of commotion. When he got to the shooter's floor, Campos found the stairwells had been barricaded and had to use the elevator, Hickey said he was told by local union officials.

After being shot, Campos spoke with police officers at 10:18 p.m., giving them the shooter's exact room and key pass. "His bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers, providing them the key pass to access the door and continued to help them clear rooms until our officers demanded he seek medical attention," said Lombardo.

 

[Baron_Calamity]

Here's an article about the security guard who's being discussed in the thread :
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/us/security-guard-las-vegas-hotel/index.html

Quotes :

That's a hero.

 

[HStallion]

Meh.

I feel confident calling this constitutionally protected speech. Feels like satire.

Comes close to yelling fire in a movie theater or bomb on an airplane if you ask me, especially right after a gigantic mass shooting.

 

[Jeremy]

That piece of paper could be a 100 different things. Could've been a receipt. Could've been blank. Could have completely irrelevant information on it.

"Mr. Paddock left a trail of clues that are, so far, more cryptic than revealing: There was a note in his hotel room whose exact contents the authorities have yet to reveal. Sheriff Lombardo said that it contained numbers that were being analyzed for their relevance, and that it was not a manifesto or suicide note."

So it doesn't seem to be blank or a receipt. Of course it could be anything, I was just curious what he may have left behind but I don't think anyone really cares. Each layer is met with such skepticism. "The one piece of purposely displayed in the room of the guy who opened fire on a crowd with modified weapons before committing suicide is probably a receipt or a blank piece of paper, could have really been anything ¯\_(&#12484_/¯"

 

[HeySeuss]

Meh.

I feel confident calling this constitutionally protected speech. Feels like satire.

It's not. While he didn't directly threaten anyone, he still could be charged with inducing panic. It'd be no different than shouting "he's got a gun" in a crowded area and having people panic and trample themselves trying to flee.

He may not be charged at the end of the day, but he definitely could be. And given the closeness of what just happened, he arguably should be.

If it was considered protected free speech, the cops wouldn't be able to bring him anywhere for questioning without violating his civil rights.

 

[Bronetta]

I was a teenager once but we didn't have social media. Is it just exposing more dummies or are kids getting dumber.

Social media is making kids dumber.

 

[Jeremy]

It's not. While he didn't directly threaten anyone, he still could be charged with inducing panic. It'd be no different than shouting "he's got a gun" in a crowded area and having people panic and trample themselves trying to flee.

He may not be charged at the end of the day, but he definitely could be. And given the closeness of what just happened, he arguably should be.

If it was considered protected free speech, the cops wouldn't be able to bring him anywhere for questioning without violating his civil rights.

The difference is that no one was injured and no panic was caused at Coachella 2018.

 

[jstripes]

It's not. While he didn't directly threaten anyone, he still could be charged with inducing panic. It'd be no different than shouting "he's got a gun" in a crowded area and having people panic and trample themselves trying to flee.

He may not be charged at the end of the day, but he definitely could be. And given the closeness of what just happened, he arguably should be.

If it was considered protected free speech, the cops wouldn't be able to bring him anywhere for questioning without violating his civil rights.

Also, it would be highly irresponsible if the police didn't investigate him. They'd look like idiots if he actually went through with it.

 

[HeySeuss]

The difference is that no one was injured and no panic was caused at Coachella 2018.

Let me understand your logic here. You're saying that what he said is perfectly fine because this event hasn't happened yet?

 

[Subpar Scrub]

The difference is that no one was injured and no panic was caused at Coachella 2018.

Are you being serious right now? Doesn’t seem to matter if it’s successful or not, rather that an attempt was made.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/inducing-panic/

Inducing panic is when a person causes the evacuation of any public place, or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience or alarm, by doing any of the following:

1.Initiating or circulating a report or warning of an alleged or impending fire, explosion, crime, or other catastrophe, knowing that such report or warning is false;

2. Threatening to commit any offense of violence;

3. Committing any offense, with reckless disregard of the likelihood that its commission will cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

Like, he literally did said enough for clause one to be valid and strongly implied clause two.

Let me understand your logic here. You're saying that what he said is perfectly fine because this event hasn't happened yet?

Well yeah, I’m sure he wouldn’t care if I said I was going to turn up to his next family gathering with an AK47. I mean, it hasn’t happened yet.

 

[Slayer-33]

Here's an article about the security guard who's being discussed in the thread :
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/us/security-guard-las-vegas-hotel/index.html

Quotes :

Hero right there, salute fellow officer

This guy distracted that terrorist sob, saved lives for sure.

 

[FyreWulff]

Meh.

I feel confident calling this constitutionally protected speech. Feels like satire.

It's actually been specifically determined by the Supreme Court that speech freedom isn't limitless and this isn't one of the protected forms.

AFAIK, it took an additional hour+ to breach the room but he had already killed himself 10 minutes in when the guard arrived, which is kind of a miracle. I don't know how long he planned on going or how many more lives he could have taken. Also if he planned an escape why leave a note? Are they going to release the note?

It'll probably be a long while until the note is released. The problem is that even a "plain" looking note could be code to an accomplice to do something or take some action or alert people to incoming warrants. Don't want him using the PR office as a communications vector.

 

[ekurisona]

new (long) gopro video showing initial shots, crowd's delayed reaction, and crowds escaping en masse (sound of bullets passing overhead)

https://youtu.be/muiHkkbPpdU

 

[Chmpocalypse]

Why? If the NRA had their way they'd allow open carry at concerts, bars, schools pretty much anywhere but their conferences.

Wait, the NRA bans guns at their conferences?

 

[Amory]

new (long) gopro video showing initial shots, crowd's delayed reaction, and crowds escaping en masse (sound of bullets passing overhead)

https://youtu.be/muiHkkbPpdU

Idk how you guys watch this shit. I wouldn't dare click on any of these videos

 

[Jeremy]

Let me understand your logic here. You're saying that what he said is perfectly fine because this event hasn't happened yet?

Are you being serious right now? Doesn't seem to matter if it's successful or not, rather that an attempt was made.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/inducing-panic/



Like, he literally did said enough for clause one to be valid and strongly implied clause two.



Well yeah, I'm sure he wouldn't care if I said I was going to turn up to his next family gathering with an AK47. I mean, it hasn't happened yet.

You're right, it's exactly the same thing and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I wasn't thinking thoroughly in my initial post: posting about buying an uzi for a future event on Twitter and yelling "shooter!" in a crowded, public place have absolutely no distinguishable difference. You threatening my family gathering with an AK47 is very different though, and you should be praised for your careful and nuanced observation. I feel extremely enlightened.

 

[Walter White Walker]

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-massacre-investigators-probing-whether-others-were-gunman-s-n808431

Investigators are trying to determine whether someone else was in the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room when he was registered there, senior law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation told NBC News.

The investigators are puzzled by two discoveries: First, a charger was found that does not match any of the cellphones that belonged to the gunman, Stephen Paddock.

And second, garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.

There are several possible explanations for these anomalies, the investigators say, but they want to get to the bottom of it.

Could have been an accomplice, although not enough shooter like fake news has been saying.

 

[TheChuggernaut]

Meh.

I feel confident calling this constitutionally protected speech. Feels like satire.

I would read about the dude before making a judgment like that

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...sault-rifle-coachella-2018-twitter/733172001/

Fucker is a real piece of work

 

[SeanC]

Wait, the NRA bans guns at their conferences?

No, but the Secret Service did restrict guns when Trump spoke recently at an NRA convention/meeting.

Guns are dangerous who'd have thunk?

 

[chekhonte]

It's crazy that they haven't been able to determine a motive.

 

[Ecotic]

They have to be able to determine if a second person was involved by using CCTV. I've watched enough Investigation Channel shows to know that in downtown Las Vegas Paddock had to have been on dozens of cameras.

 

[Tackleberry]

Meh.

I feel confident calling this constitutionally protected speech. Feels like satire.

Threats aren't protected speech.

 

[GruntOfAction]

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-massacre-investigators-probing-whether-others-were-gunman-s-n808431



Could have been an accomplice, although not enough shooter like fake news has been saying.

The different charger could be something left from a previous guest that house keeping never found. The alternate keycard thing could've also been house keeping..unless it was one of the two keys he had assigned to him at the room..

 

[Euphoria14]

Read on NBC that while they still think he was solo they are looking into additional people.

They say that he had a charger in the room that did not match any of his phones and also that after he left the parking garage someone went into his room using his card key.


Edit - Beaten, by a lot.

 

[Euphoria14]

The different charger could be something left from a previous guest that house keeping never found. The alternate keycard thing could've also been house keeping..unless it was one of the two keys he had assigned to him at the room..

They describe it as “his card”, not a key to his room.

I’m guessing he brought a lady to his room.

 

[GruntOfAction]

They describe it as “his card”, not a key to his room.

I’m guessing he brought a lady to his room.

I mean it's Vegas, could've been an "escort".

 

[Durden77]

It's crazy that they haven't been able to determine a motive.

Scariest part of the situation for me. The idea of a typically normal dude that just woke up and said "you know what, I'm going to go kill a whole bunch of people today" is horrifying.

 

[TaterTots]

Wait, the NRA bans guns at their conferences?

Nope.

 

[SeanC]

Scariest part of the situation for me. The idea of a typically normal dude that just woke up and said "you know what, I'm going to go kill a whole bunch of people today" is horrifying.

I don't think it's a one-day thing and waking up and deciding so, its' something he's probably thought about doing since he was a teenager and it built up over decades until he spent the past year planning it and purchasing his arsenal. It's fantasy and wish-fulfillment. You can't really put motive behind that other than him getting a sense of satisfaction in doing it.

 

[Euphoria14]

I mean it's Vegas, could've been an "escort".

Well there was the story that he was seen with a mystery woman days before shooting, plus he did check in using his girlfriends ID.

Not sure if she is only an escort though. Whoever is was must have surely known weapons were in there, right?


This whole event is so odd.

 

[Volimar]

Accurate As Fuck

From my Twitter feed and didn't give the source.

 

[Javaman]

What is up with the security guard finding the stairway blocked or barricaded? They kinda rushed right through that without details. It would be terrifying if the shooter had something to do with it (probably not) and was counting on the elevators being down due to smoke alarm to slow the police response.

If he had nothing to do with it it was a huge fire hazard to anyone on the floor.

 

[Ultryx]

Honestly, aside from being a gun owner and wanting some new regulations -- just straight up FUCK the NRA. I despise that organization and all they stand for.

 

[M52B28]

I don't think it's a one-day thing and waking up and deciding so, its' something he's probably thought about doing since he was a teenager and it built up over decades until he spent the past year planning it and purchasing his arsenal. It's fantasy and wish-fulfillment. You can't really put motive behind that other than him getting a sense of satisfaction in doing it.

I think it would help to get rid of the mindset that this is only capable by certain people. If this says anything, it says that anyone is capable of shaping into someone like him. The mind is a very fragile thing and there's many small things that can go wrong and cause someone to do something like this.

Just because this is something you think you couldn't do now doesn't mean you'll be able to think that way later.

 

[water_wendi]

What is up with the security guard finding the stairway blocked or barricaded? They kinda rushed right through that without details. It would be terrifying if the shooter had something to do with it (probably not) and was counting on the elevators being down due to smoke alarm to slow the police response.

If he had nothing to do with it it was a huge fire hazard to anyone on the floor.

im guessing he did it. Also guessing chain locking the doors.

 

[One Eyed Willy]

What is up with the security guard finding the stairway blocked or barricaded? They kinda rushed right through that without details. It would be terrifying if the shooter had something to do with it (probably not) and was counting on the elevators being down due to smoke alarm to slow the police response.

If he had nothing to do with it it was a huge fire hazard to anyone on the floor.

Almost certainly the shooter blocked them. We'll find out.

 

[Euphoria14]

Reading now that they were able to match up all the chargers and shit and are now convinced nobody was in the room prior to the shooting.

They still are looking into whether or not anyone else knew of his plan.




I still feel uneasy about the new news though because it doesn’t address the room entry using one of his keycards while he was gone. Unless of course I missed it in the article.

This is the one I’m reading currently.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...e-else-shooters-room-las-vegas-attack-n808431

 

[Commander Jameson]

Accurate As Fuck

From my Twitter feed and didn't give the source.

Looks like that is from here: http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorial-cartoon/2017-10-04-editorial-cartoon

 

[adamsappel]

Anyone who thinks it was hard for him to get all that gear up there in 3 days has never been in Vegas around NAB conference time. Thousands of camera crews descend on Vegas, all wheeling giant boxes of camera and lighting equipment to their hotel rooms. No one stops them, or checks them, or even gives them a second look. Same with CES. A guy wheeling giant pelican cases up to his hotel room in Las Vegas would draw 0 suspicion from anyone on the hotel staff.

I heard a caller on the radio say there are gun shows in Vegas all the time, and nobody would even look twice at baggage like that.

Oklahoma city bomber was working alone.

How soon we forget Terry Nichols.

 

[BunnyBear]

new (long) gopro video showing initial shots, crowd's delayed reaction, and crowds escaping en masse (sound of bullets passing overhead)

https://youtu.be/muiHkkbPpdU

People in this video are further away from the shooter but seem to react immediately, as opposed to the people closer to the stage. I wonder why?

 

[lemmykoopa]

People in this video are further away from the shooter but seem to react immediately, as opposed to the people closer to the stage. I wonder why?

People far out were closer to the main exits.

 

[BunnyBear]

People far out were closer to the main exits.

Yeah but that doesn’t explain how the people further away identity the gunshots and threat almost immediately. In other videos, people standing directly in front of the stage and much closer to the shooter literally stand around arguing about whether the cracking is gunfire.

Pretty fascinating.

 

[jstripes]

Reading now that they were able to match up all the chargers and shit and are now convinced nobody was in the room prior to the shooting.

They still are looking into whether or not anyone else knew of his plan.

I still feel uneasy about the new news though because it doesn’t address the room entry using one of his keycards while he was gone. Unless of course I missed it in the article.

This is the one I’m reading currently.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...e-else-shooters-room-las-vegas-attack-n808431

Wow, an ammo dealer said he tried to buy a whole load of tracer rounds from him.

 

[water_wendi]

I heard a caller on the radio say there are gun shows in Vegas all the time, and nobody would even look twice at baggage like that.

How soon we forget Terry Nichols.

Nichols was an accomplice but would not in any way be considered a "second gunman" because he wasnt there when the bomb went off.

 

[D4Danger]

new (long) gopro video showing initial shots, crowd's delayed reaction, and crowds escaping en masse (sound of bullets passing overhead)

https://youtu.be/muiHkkbPpdU

at about 3:11 you can hear the first few shots that I assume were done to get through the window

and then at about 5:08 there's a guy who points to the hotel and says "he's shooting from the window".

crazy stuff.

 

[BunnyBear]

at about 3:11 you can hear the first few shots that I assume were done to get through the window

and then at about 5:08 there's a guy who points to the hotel and says "he's shooting from the window".

crazy stuff.

People seem to start fleeing BEFORE the first shots ring out.

 

[M52B28]

Yeah but that doesn’t explain how the people further away identity the gunshots and threat almost immediately. In other videos, people standing directly in front of the stage and much closer to the shooter literally stand around arguing about whether the cracking is gunfire.

Pretty fascinating.

When you're further away from the commotion of the audience, you take in more information about the ambiance of the environment. Without the speakers and sound going on in the crowd, you're naturally going to be more aware of other things going on.

Additionally, bullets give off a startling crack noise that fireworks simply don't give away. That's due to their sonic signature. At their distance, you aren't hearing the actual gunshot (the stuff that sound like fireworks at certain distance), but the sound of a bullet breaking the sound barrier.

Trust me on this, it's riveting and probably some of the scariest things I've heard.