ethomaz
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? These are NPD numbers rounded lol
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Germany sales update: PS4 2.8 million, Wii U 690k, XB1 600k
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Very accurate "estimate".
JuanLatino
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AnthonypUK
Member
It's doing poorly.
You don't release another console to perform worse than your previous one,(unless your nintendo) and the Xbox one will fall behind the 360 this year, this is even before the 360 got the Kinect boost.
At best the Xbox One is looking like not breaking 50million WW, that much of a decline is the definition of poor.
Oculus supports Windows which in turn means an Xbox console eventually, probably not the One but a successor which at that point in time, might be the mass appeal phase if VR takes off. Don't think this is a sector people will get left behind in, seems very open to anyone jumping in and not exactly secretive as they trailblaze.
Don't think the brand is lost, they just haven't got anywhere since 360 and Xbox on Windows, who knows. Playstation is definitely more popular but can't always be at the top but you also can't be completely idiotic like Microsoft in trying to get there.
Xbox still makes money, the hardware isn't a loss leader, software etc. makes good money. Could be better but not burning a hole in their pocket. If they actually cared about the rest of the world regardless of sales, that would be a start to getting somewhere but same old rubbish, Europe like football, get a FIFA deal, job done Phil. It's embarrassing. How about setting your language to something outside your region, you know like Windows! Making Halo 5 work in other countries...as a few posters conplain about in Australia and South America. Don't be complete fools with Indies, exclusives. Microsoft can fix many things that put them on a good road but it just doesn't happen.
slavesnyder
Member
I really would like to know if this is true if we look at complete costs, including development (plus 180), marketing, staff cost, everything.
yukianderson
Member
Yeah, there's no way that will reach 18 million sold it will bearly reach 16 million. That 20 million dream a lot of people have is dead. Is probably 18 million shipped...
And the source for that is ...?
At it's first non-launch BF the AC-Bundle was discounted to $329 + shop discount (gift card, free live year - whatever).
This is for a console that launched (incl. Kinect) for $499(!) a year earlier.
And in germany e.g. you can get it since forever for ~300.
mckmas8808
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This had nothing to do with "brand" and more to do with what Sony was able to do with the PS3, compared to the Xbox 360.
slavesnyder
Member
the 18 mio are doable I think.
so we have:
missing 4 Million (all estimates, no proof):
Rest or Europe (Scandinavia, France, Spain, Italy, Eastern Europe, Russia etc.) - I'd give them 1.5 mio. combined
Asia, Africa, maybe 0.5 mio. together
South America, Canada, maybe 2 mio.
A little less here, a little more there, but 18 mio. seems okay.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yes 18m seems about doable. Thinking it'll not grow as much this year but without world numbers it's hard to guess.
Would be nice to know numbers for English language territories Canada, Ireland, Australia and of course New Zealand.
Would be nice to know numbers for English language territories Canada, Ireland, Australia and of course New Zealand.
Green Yoshi
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Never thought that a PlayStation could sell better in Germany than in Japan. ^^
Canada
USA 11.1
Mexico
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Argentina
UK <2.5
Ireland
France 0.42 (2014)
Germany 0.6
Austria
Poland
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Russia
Spain 0.08 (June 2015)
Portugal
Italy (market size similar to Spain)
Greece
Netherlands
Belgium
Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland
Turkey
South Africa
UAE
Saudi Arabia
Israel
India
Japan 0.064
China
South Korea
Honkg Kong
Singapore
Taiwan
Australia
NZ
I doubt there's another 1.5M in Europe minus UK and DE by the way. These countries would be ~25% of the total european market and they're more similar to france and germany than the UK, or even worse, in terms of xbox market share.
USA 11.1
Mexico
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Argentina
UK <2.5
Ireland
France 0.42 (2014)
Germany 0.6
Austria
Poland
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Russia
Spain 0.08 (June 2015)
Portugal
Italy (market size similar to Spain)
Greece
Netherlands
Belgium
Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland
Turkey
South Africa
UAE
Saudi Arabia
Israel
India
Japan 0.064
China
South Korea
Honkg Kong
Singapore
Taiwan
Australia
NZ
I doubt there's another 1.5M in Europe minus UK and DE by the way. These countries would be ~25% of the total european market and they're more similar to france and germany than the UK, or even worse, in terms of xbox market share.
slavesnyder
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Do we have PS4/XB1/WIIU hardware numbers in france?
DriftingSpirit
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HW numbers from France should be coming in soon -
Awesome. I'm expecting XB1 and WiiU to have a better market share (something like 50/24/26 for PS4/XB1/WiiU)
Why are you expecting that?
PS4 already was over 50% when it hit 1m in France (1M PS4,500k WiiU, 330k X1). There is no reason to think its share is lower now
ethomaz
Banned
3rd... looks like France took the 2nd place
Nintendo is even more popular in France than here in Germany so it's possible it'll have a higher market share. Don't know enough about MS in France to make a comment about XB1 marketshare.
#1 after 2017... Wait France pinned it. #2.
I can confidently say that the entire Xbox business has not made a penny since it became a product. It would be roughly minus $6 billion to date, and that's optimistic.
Yes. In fact your entire post echos my own thoughts and analysis.
I was an 8 year Xbox Live Gold member up to that point. That Xbox One reveal will be discussed in business classes teaching how NOT to reveal a global product. Talking about an NFL deal to the world was hilarious.
I don't think this can be underestimated. I liked the original Xbox and the 360 but their lack of traction in Japan sort of killed it for me. Ever since it feels like they have become more and more insular and the Xbox One reveal absolutely cemented that belief.. what with the TV TV TV FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL games TV TV TV.
It was an incredibly US centric reveal for a console hoping to target at a global market. There also comes the sort of hatred for corporate America and their PR driven bullshitting approach that instantly turns off a lot of people in places like Europe and the XB1 reveal was full of that crap. The authoritarian nature of always on Kinect and not allowing you to properly own and sell on your games was the last straw, and probably the most severe. This happened in a post Snowden world and the thought of Microsoft trojan horsing an advanced camera and microphone setup into everyone's living room, knowing full well the likes of the NSA would have access should they so desire... it was genuinely chilling. The fact you couldn't disconnect it and operate the console for arbitrary reasons (proven so as they reneged on that) really came across as a sinister move.
Much of the world kind of hates America (NOT Americans), the corporate profit driven system and how money talks... it puts a lot of folks off, and the Xbox became more and more an ambassador of that approach. The XB1 prematurely tried to capitalise on the goodwill the 360 had brought the Xbox brand by turning it into a money making machine... backfired didn't it? I don't really see how they can continue funding the Xbox brand if it's only real markets are the US and the UK. It's just not sustainable, eventually they won't have a broad enough range of games vs the all singing PS5 or whatever...
Because I think it was the case last gen (I might be wrong lol).
Pamplemousse
Member
What's with Wii U doing so well? Gonna have to re-think its failure status
Let me assist you by framing it the way I see it:
PS4 doing okay.
XB1 shit
WiiU shit while taking one year longer to achieve that shit.
PeregrinSe7en
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wow that's nuts, but unsurprising
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Does this means PS4 in UK >3.0m?
Yeah I think its pretty safe to say.
ethomaz
Banned
It guesses but yes.
In May 2015 the gap was 500k.
Unless Xbone outsold PS4 from May to Dec (we have report saying PS4 win by few k the Black Friday week) then Xbone is below 2.5m and PS4 is over 3.0m.
BTW both consoles are down YoY in UK.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
PlayStation seems to be a western-centric product anyway nowadays. The land of the rising sun has moved on.
Hahaha pff
Alex_Mexico
Member
During the PS360 days Mexico was totally an Xbox market by far. I do wonder what's the market share now with the more successful PS4 though. Even if X1 is still king here I'd very much like to know how much the PS4 closed that gap.
Sony fucked Mexico over for the longest time taking forever to take our market seriously. Micorosft rightfully made it theirs because they proved they gave a damn since early 2002 when they launched the OG Xbox. Playstation didn't came here officially until sometime in the middle of the PS3 lifecycle! (2009-2010)!
KZObsessed
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PS4 sales are pretty amazing. Makes you realise how much Japan has shrunk.
Beautiful. Pretty much confirms what we have been saying. US+UK makes up 75% of xbox one install base. 13.6m/18m
Despite the fact that they are available in 42 markets, they are only relevant in 2. Tier 2 markets were Tier 2 for a reason.
The console market was bigger than PC in Germany for the first time in a long time last year as well. PS4 is killing it.
Pretty sure the the UK will still be in Europe, unless they found a way to tow it across the Atlantic.
Then they haven't seen any sales numbers.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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Not sure about Germany but I know France is a strong market for Nintendo in EU.
At least 1 million in France
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/01/yep_ps4_is_wrecking_the_competition_in_france_too
Over 1 million in the Middle East as well, I believe.