He won't make it out of the primaries. He might have made a decent General candidate but he won't get that far.
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NBC poll: Trump continues to lead the GOP field after 1st debate
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He won't make it out of the primaries. He might have made a decent General candidate but he won't get that far.
Sir_Crocodile
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Because people desperately want it to be true and are trying to temper their expectations to avoid disappointment
trump be all like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKdVZn4xP4Y
It's accurate. Maybe Best Phone > Best Internet, but Internet Polling is real and it's accurate.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
djplaeskool
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I think Trump would make a God-awful president and there is no way in hell I would vote for him, but the media needs to fucking STOP with this nonsense about him supposedly sabotaging himself. CNN interviewed a focus group after the debate and they were all saying that Trump turned them off as voters. CNN then touted this as proof that Trump just ended his chances.
Kitschkraft
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So is Trump winning because of his bluster or in spite of it?
What I'm really asking is, if he came out in the next debate and acted just a *tad* bit more presidential...would that pretty much solidify him? Or is he only getting support because of his antics, and would taking it seriously actually backfire against him?
What I'm really asking is, if he came out in the next debate and acted just a *tad* bit more presidential...would that pretty much solidify him? Or is he only getting support because of his antics, and would taking it seriously actually backfire against him?
We already know exactly what to expect from Hillary at debates, just look back at 2008, I don't know what you expect to get out of these debates.
No, it's not. It's an indictment on our society. Half of our country hates immigrants and think women shouldn't speak out of turn and now they have their guy in the spotlight.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The supporters I've seen like him only because he uses blunter language to insult minorities instead of the coded language other candidates use. I think respectability would hurt him.
It's foolish to count Jeb out at this point. He's polished and is an actual politician, unlike half the clowns running. The biggest difference between Jeb and Romney is that there's other very viable moderate/sane choices that the establishment has been grooming, like Rubio and Walker.
Cruz has a high floor and a low ceiling. He will never win the nomination.
Carson and Trump will burn themselves out just like all the other gimmick candidates did in 2012 and once the dust settles, we'll see how Jeb puts all that Super PAC money to use.
I agree. The timing is the problem, not the number.
Cruz has a high floor and a low ceiling. He will never win the nomination.
Carson and Trump will burn themselves out just like all the other gimmick candidates did in 2012 and once the dust settles, we'll see how Jeb puts all that Super PAC money to use.
I agree. The timing is the problem, not the number.
7-8 years makes a ton of difference. Not to mention she didn't exactly smoke Obama in them.
Karsticles
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IMO, because of it. Americans are not a subtle bunch. Trump is like an action movie hero in politics, surrounded by the paper pushers that try to keep the cool stuff from happening on screen.
The problem is they're applying traditional campaign logic to Trump when this isn't a traditional campaign. Trump is the electoral equivalent of the Joker and no one knows how to deal with him, so they're just doing what they normally do. Everyone is going to have a very interesting postmortem a year or so from now.
Wasn't this Fox News? Maybe CNN also did it, but I remember Fox News doing this immediately after the debate.
CNN did something similar and the results were negative for Trump. Carson did well in that 'focus group'.
Byakuya769
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One is an unreliable poll. The other is survey of unreliable people.
speculawyer
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Really? You want Nigel Farage in charge of the most powerful military on the planet? No thanks.
Chinpoko_Master
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Our next president. Mmm.
speculawyer
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Oh, I think this is working out VERY WELL for them. The GOP is at war with itself.
Trump's appeal isn't only after going after minorities. It's going after anyone deemed a threat and a hindrance.
The way his popularity grew with new fans more than he lost previous fans shows there are people who are fed up with the political establishment. Trump is the Republican Populist and that's a platform that should concern everyone to some degree because being an attack dog for the people has more cross appeal than being the attack dog for the elite convincing the masses to vote against their interests like the typical Republican.
This is also true. Trump's Walter White and the GOP elite is Skylar. (unfair comparison to that character and what the GOP actually is)
Mike Double U
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They really are. They've clearly tried taking him down during the debate. And everyday since the debate as well with their "randomly selected potential voters" reactions on a lot of their programs. It's not working. Now they have to tow the line between taking him down and not driving him to run third party.
Hahaha, beat me to it.
http://youtu.be/9TwuR0jCavk
speculawyer
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The possibility of Trump becoming president reminds me of those media-crazy dystopian visions of the future from 80s scifi movies like Running Man and Robocop. He is liked because he is the most outrageous personality among a bunch of pencil pushers. I'm not sure whether I'm more frightened or excited to see where this goes.
Cnn did this shit too? Just how out of touch can media be..
Sir_Crocodile
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Stolen from one of the many other trump threads:
I can't take this anymore lol
I can't take this anymore lol
The Technomancer
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I've been thinking king about this for a while now, and you know what? Beneath all of the comedy, all of the "ha-ha Trump running for president" and "can you believe this guy?" I think he is actually making valuable contributions to the political dialogue around this election. No seriously! Hear me out!
Okay first off yeah he should never actually be president, for a number of reasons including
1. He's quite racist
2. He's quite sexist
3. He thinks business success qualifies him for presidential leadership, which is dubious even when claimed by actually good businessmen
But all of that aside a few things have really struck me so far:
1. Would the issue of money in politics have ever come up in the Republican primary, let alone that debate stage, without him explicitly calling out how easy it is for him to buy politicians? A lot of politicians in both parties wish that that issue never ever gets discussed and here's Trump pumping out soundbytes about all of the money in Washington
2. I find the way that he attacked Walker in particular to be incredibly interesting. His line of attack was to call out Walker for fucking up the state, specifically the infrastructure, and specifically the "crumbling roads, hospitals, and schools". I guarenteed no other Republican candidate would dare call that out because they all have to toe the party line of slash and burn strategy that causes it. It's practically a Democrat line.
Is Trump a secret Democrat plant? No, obviously not. What he is is a guy with a platform, such that it is, that doesn't adhere to either party completely, and combined with just how much attention he generates for himself he's throwing a wrench right into the middle of the Republican primary dialogue, and I find that completely unironically valuable
Okay first off yeah he should never actually be president, for a number of reasons including
1. He's quite racist
2. He's quite sexist
3. He thinks business success qualifies him for presidential leadership, which is dubious even when claimed by actually good businessmen
But all of that aside a few things have really struck me so far:
1. Would the issue of money in politics have ever come up in the Republican primary, let alone that debate stage, without him explicitly calling out how easy it is for him to buy politicians? A lot of politicians in both parties wish that that issue never ever gets discussed and here's Trump pumping out soundbytes about all of the money in Washington
2. I find the way that he attacked Walker in particular to be incredibly interesting. His line of attack was to call out Walker for fucking up the state, specifically the infrastructure, and specifically the "crumbling roads, hospitals, and schools". I guarenteed no other Republican candidate would dare call that out because they all have to toe the party line of slash and burn strategy that causes it. It's practically a Democrat line.
Is Trump a secret Democrat plant? No, obviously not. What he is is a guy with a platform, such that it is, that doesn't adhere to either party completely, and combined with just how much attention he generates for himself he's throwing a wrench right into the middle of the Republican primary dialogue, and I find that completely unironically valuable
Ah, alright then. Wasn't aware of that. Interesting both we're negative, looking at this new poll.
If you look at the average polling numbers for Trump pre-debate, he did lose a percentage point: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Clearly Trump is the great uniter. Change we definitely can believe in for the 1st term. [/glib]
Trump will win imo; hes an arse but his actual 'policy' views will probably cut into the Democrats base slightly (the over-confidence and lack of realisation of how two party politics work from the Democrats recently is ridiculous).
Rick Santorum was the runner up last time around.
Rick Santorum was the runner up last time around.
You mean the general? He's way too racist to stand a chance. Getting elected is more than just policy views dude.
Conversely, you could say that the last NBC/WSJ poll had him at 19%, and now he's at 23%. Before, he was 4 points ahead of his nearest challenger. Now, 10%.
Never watched this in full. Holy shit Rove got roasted at the end.
It's really worrying. Not only is this guy a lunatic when it comes to issuesI can still see which kind of person would vote for him, based on that, he also rallied hard for shutting down the government, for the single purpose of making a name for himself. He doesn't give a wet shit about his country. This guy is truly disgusting.
That's probably why he did well.
I saw that too. Wondering if overly religious people are the ones who are giving him support. Folks who pick due to a person's beleifs rather than politics.
Stolen from one of the many other trump threads:
I can't take this anymore lol
Lol...
The poll you have linked repeatedly states that they are looking at "Republican insiders," using that specific phrasing.
I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I will say that it is not news that the establishment inside the Republican party does not like Trump.
Jacksinthe
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Not surprised. He's the only one not hiding his beliefs behind typic politician rhetoric. People find that fresh, no matter how wrong/right those beliefs are.
I.E. he's not lying to your face about how large of a jag he is. Things like "not lying" are usually pretty high up on the priority list for people, other politicians should take note.
I.E. he's not lying to your face about how large of a jag he is. Things like "not lying" are usually pretty high up on the priority list for people, other politicians should take note.
MHWilliams
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Low expectations and "I'll govern like God is on my right shoulder" plays well with the base.
Because of it, if I had to guess.
Lime_In_Da_Coconut
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Wasn't Jeb Bush supposed to be a "shoe in?"
What the hell is going on? He's not even in the top 3!
What the hell is going on? He's not even in the top 3!
King Tubby
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The fact that the top 3 in the polls right now are Trump, Cruz, and Carson should tell you all you need to know about the value of polling data this far out from an election.
Liberals tend to watch and trust one or more of a variety of media outlets, while conservatives tend to watch and trust FOX News specifically.
Liberals tend to watch and trust one or more of a variety of media outlets, while conservatives tend to watch and trust FOX News specifically.
The Artisan
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I read somewhere that fox news is also the most watched/trusted news outlet. scary stuff.
Manmademan
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I think trump appeals to the anti-establishment crowd that hates regular politicians. Saying what's on his mind, regardless of whether it's PC or if it makes sense is what's gaining him those numbers. There's a limit to this though. I don't think he can get above 30% without actually having a policy that makes sense.
If he does come up with legitimate answers without backing down or giving the standard political half answers to honest questions he could be a serious threat. I don't think this will happen though, since that would imply trump actually WANTS the presidency.
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