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Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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GruntOfAction
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Man honestly it seems like the only thing that would make conspiracy theorists shut up about this would be if the guy had his own go-pro and was filming what he did in the room.
Don't kid yourself, that wouldn't change anything. Conspiracy shit like this thrives on not just ignoring reality but making anything that refutes it the work of people trying to undermine people trying to reveal the "truth". I mean Sandy Hook conspiracy dipshits harassed the parents of victims, there is no bottom to this.
superdeluxe
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GruntOfAction
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Thank you for adding an insightful comment into the conversation.
Can the media stop zoning in on the motive? It is safe to say that there is not a motive and this guy just suddenly just snapped.
Let's focus on gun control god damn it. Lets have checks that will set off the feds if a person is stockpiling weapons.
GruntOfAction
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"But people don't just do stuff for some weird reason! They had to have a motive!" Free will says otherwise.
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I believe I read he did have cameras and did record himself. It will probably never be public, with good reason.
YoodiHoshi
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Well, I ended up crying last night. And a few of these people lived close by me around town. I can't think straight hardly at all after this
Just received word that one of the younger women who perished was a friend of a cousin to a friend of my dad.
Just received word that one of the younger women who perished was a friend of a cousin to a friend of my dad.
I H8 Memes
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He wasnt recording. Those were live feed cameras so he wouldnt get taken alive. All of those other bookings were to test if the federal government had any sort of alert system for the combination of things he was doing. Buying weapons, buying plenty of ammo, bump stocks (probably assumed the government was somehow monitoring who bought them), and renting a hotel room near a large public event. He was absolutely paranoid about being taken alive and having to explain himself.
With the way things ended it kind of creates an illusion of an emotionless human that has turned on society. Thats not what I see. An emotionless robot doesnt feel shame. Not saying he was ashamed of what he was doing, but if he would have been caught he would have faced a public shaming that he obviously couldnt handle and wanted no part of. Probably why he had all of the explosives in his car. If you cant get to a gun to shoot yourself then sitting next to a bunch of explosives will do the job. Definitely why he tested for a reaction by booking several other events. He had to be sure before he would walk in any of those confined hotel hallways where he could be taken alive so easily. The target was always vegas, where his house and supplies were. Everything else was a test so he wouldnt be taken alive and have to face the shame of society.
LiveFromKyoto
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There have been mountains of advances in neuroscience, cognitive science and psychology over the past 25 years. Heck, cogsci was barely even known as a field until some major publications in the 90s. Now there are university programs all over the place.
Influential forms of psychology like Positive Psychology and Emotionally Focused Therapy didn't even exist 20 years ago.
Human genome research is light years ahead of where it was.
legacyzero
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Man, what a thread
And maybe gun control will be a conversation when the thoughts and prayers fuckers are ready, or we take the majority back
No, he didnt suddenly just lose it. Dude has been working at this for years, very clearly.
And maybe gun control will be a conversation when the thoughts and prayers fuckers are ready, or we take the majority back
When countries around the world ban something it usually goes
Ban something
Stiff punishment announced
Those who defy ban get made example of if with a harsh sentence
Those thinking of defying ban see sentence and think hmm maybe it's not worth doing 10yrs behind bars. Over the coarse of 20 maybe more years what was banned will be almost non existent (exception being drugs)
Ban something
Stiff punishment announced
Those who defy ban get made example of if with a harsh sentence
Those thinking of defying ban see sentence and think hmm maybe it's not worth doing 10yrs behind bars. Over the coarse of 20 maybe more years what was banned will be almost non existent (exception being drugs)
It doesnt say highly regulated. And the militia no longer exists anyway.
Sunster
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how did they do that?
Replaced coal gas ovens with natural gas ovens.
Sunster
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I literally thought they put their heads in to burn themselves to death.
I've contributed a lot to this thread, actually. Just needed to get a parting jab in for GreatestHits for being so absolutely callous and disingenuous about this horrible tragedy. Really bothered me that he took over the conversation for so many pages.
That would be really painful. They were suffocating themselves using carbon monoxide.
An asshole is the perfect way to describe him.
gutter_trash
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If Sandyhook changed nothing, then nothing else will.
I have no hope for the US on gun control and that outdated 2nd Ammendment
I have no hope for the US on gun control and that outdated 2nd Ammendment
Sounds like the same fucking guy to me, honestly. Dude was willing to sit up on his roof and wait for people to shoot. That's not fucking normal and it always weirds me out when these macho conservative fucks try and say they'd do the same thing. Yeah, wanting to kill people is not normal.
StopMakingSense
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Thats a thing that actually happened, a number of property owners did that during the LA riots.
Oh I know that, but honestly it sounds kinda psycho to me. Maybe I'm just weird, but if shit was happening like that in my city and I felt unsafe my first instinct is to get the fuck out not to arm myself against people, especially for the purpose of protecting property. Lives are worth more than property.
And maybe I'm judging to harshly or it's too much hindsight, but it really does not surprise me at all that a man willing to arm up and wait to shoot people would then end up armed up and shooting people at the end of his life. I can definitely see some sort of fantasy going around in his head that just didn't go away and he finally acted on it.
Baron_Calamity
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jellies_two
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"Well regulated"
Is there any difference ?
There is insufficient regulation. Obviously.
If the militia doesn't exist anymore, to avoid any discussion that it needs to be well regulated, then that removes the reason stated in the amendment to bear arms.
You clearly aren't interpreting the commas properly.
jellies_two
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By the controversy over its meaning It seems that the 2nd amendment is a somewhat of a mirror that reflects the desire of the person reading at it.
The Supreme Court had to rule on whether the preface was important or not, and so we end up here where the current meaning is not actually the original words but instead an accumulation of Supreme Court test cases.
It's overdue to rethink it otherwise the situation is trapped and mistakes are irreversible.
GruntOfAction
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Holy shit. Lets see those news anchors try and defend him by saying he wasn't evil now.
he purchased some of his weapons in a store called 'guns and guitars'
guns
and guitars
jesus fucking christ america
...wait, some were saying he wasn't evil??
Yeah, when I saw that picture too I was like are you fucking serious with that store name smh.
User Name Here
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So he was an arrogant rich guy that thought people were so beneath him they didn't deserve to live?
EdibleKnife
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Yeah, this reminds me of that veteran Chris Kyle who spread a false story about how he sniped "looters" during Katrina. The idea that an American Folk Military hero and the perpetrator of one of the US's deadliest mass shootings have the same sick fantasies should be really disturbing to the country at large.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Has you all seen this incredible footage?
Wow, really shows people going out of their ways to help others in need/distress even during the worst circumstances.
Wow, really shows people going out of their ways to help others in need/distress even during the worst circumstances.
It seems he was arrogant far before he was rich. I'm no psychologist, but some of the stuff people have said make him sound psychopathic. Everything must've been a game to him. I wouldn't be surprised if his disregard for others actually helped him accumulate his wealth.
Kill Your Masters
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Just like the GOP then.
Jawbreaker
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To be fair, Desperado is a pretty bad ass film.
jellies_two
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It won't be good enough for many but I think that's the most plausible scenario. He hated "other people" for so long. His pilots medical expired it was 30 years since his father died perhaps gambling for comps was starting to lose its attraction and physically he was falling apart. Few or no friends few reasons to live on, he just went postal. It was either that or fade away to a zero.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I got two things.
1 inquiry. What's the deal with this Rocky Palermo guy. Supposed to be a victim of the shooting claiming he saw multiple shooters? I'm not buying it based on the fact that no other victim has came forward about it. Still curious about it though.
2 cents. Banning guns isn't going to stop mass killings. As with banning marijuana it will create more harm than good. What would help is proper universal healthcare, and stricter gun control. One or both could have prevented this tragedy without infringing on anyone's rights.
1 inquiry. What's the deal with this Rocky Palermo guy. Supposed to be a victim of the shooting claiming he saw multiple shooters? I'm not buying it based on the fact that no other victim has came forward about it. Still curious about it though.
2 cents. Banning guns isn't going to stop mass killings. As with banning marijuana it will create more harm than good. What would help is proper universal healthcare, and stricter gun control. One or both could have prevented this tragedy without infringing on anyone's rights.
Commander Jameson
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Assuming by "banning guns", you mean banning all guns, rather than just certain types of guns, how would that create more harm?
Watching that video again I am catching some of the people running talking.
Saddest was a woman screaming 'I can't do this!'
Worst was asshole yelling 'Fucking sand n#$#rs, I hate them!'
Sigh
Very underrated trilogy
Yoshi
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Explain to me the harm that is done by banning guns for the general populace. Even doing only the half step like in Germany, where you can get a license to carry a gun, but it is difficult and you still cannot get machine guns automatically as well.
The Real Napsta
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How do you get all of that guns that are already out there back?
Make the posession and distribution of ammunition and guns illegal. Give people a chance to give in their guns over a grace period of 1 year and anyone who owns one after that prosecutable by law.
Same thing happened when knives were banned in the UK.
toddhunter
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You make guns illegal at a certain date and before that offer to buy the guns back.
You remove a shit tonne of guns, restrict guns moving forward and stimulate the economy.
Cost a lot of money? Yep. But compare that to building a wall or flying to a game so you can leave in protest and it is money well spent.
Even if it only gets 10 guns it is an exercise worth doing if it gets the guns of a guy like this.
This shit is easy if you just want to do it.
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