BenjaminBirdie said::lol :lol
So true.
The best part is, their answer completely DODGED the question. :lol
BenjaminBirdie said::lol :lol
So true.
Sir Garbageman said:Really like this idea. Hopefully we know for sure one way or the other before tonight's ep is done.
duckroll said:My theory is entirely based on the assumption that Jacob is not "chill" but has simply reached a "I don't give a fuck" stage in his life after thousands of years. I'm sure he had a lot of time to get over any rage he would have had.
Zeliard said:The guy is definitely very zen-like. Jacob is the Buddha, confirmed.
Zeliard said:The guy is definitely very zen-like. Jacob is the Buddha, confirmed.
duckroll said:Buddha is not a smug douchebag. Well, maybe Jacob is a western Buddha. Asians don't really make good smug douchebags. :lol
Dead said:I doubt Jacob will portrayed in a positive light tonight.
I think I see the show going more for a "break" of the Islands status quo, and showcasing that Jacob in reality isnt much better than MIB will make the road to the finale clearer
duckroll said:Buddha is not a smug douchebag. Well, maybe Jacob is a western Buddha. Asians don't really make good smug douchebags. :lol
BenjaminBirdie said:I don't know...Dogen was both.
:lol
DoctorWho said:I'm expecting this too.
Zeliard said:That's what I'm HOPING. I don't want good versus evil from the show and never have. I want fucked up guy versus other fucked up guy, with a bunch of otherwise normal people caught in the middle. There are other ways to convey the contrasting duality of "black vs white". In fact, they've already done exactly that with Jacob and MIB's philosophical debate.
It's not good versus evil, it's yin and yang. Balance. MIB can't leave the island because the balance will be destroyed. The scales are a big motif.
DoctorWho said:I love the concept of these two demi-gods imposing their feud on mere mortals. I still like the idea of Jack being awarded the role of becoming Jacob's replacement and then giving Jacob the big FUCK YOU before getting himself and everyone else who is alive off the island.
That would be pretty badass, but I dunno how they could write the culminating moment of jack's life, and then have him say "Fuck you." afterwards. He's kind of pushed all of his chips in on the "faith in the island" business.DoctorWho said:I love the concept of these two demi-gods imposing their feud on mere mortals. I still like the idea of Jack being awarded the role of becoming Jacob's replacement and then giving Jacob the big FUCK YOU before getting himself and everyone else who is alive off the island.
DoctorWho said:I love the concept of these two demi-gods imposing their feud on mere mortals. I still like the idea of Jack being awarded the role of becoming Jacob's replacement and then giving Jacob the big FUCK YOU before getting himself and everyone else who is alive off the island.
SpeedingUptoStop said:Solo's ultimate endgame wet dream: Jack becomes the new Jacob, but believes he wouldn't be best for the job. He uses his Jacob powers to resurrect Locke, then he kills himself so he can go live in the alternate universe. The Boss Locke has the island all to himself and Jack has a kid and shit.
Yin is usually characterized as slow, soft, insubstantial, diffuse, cold, wet, and tranquil. They are generally associated with Femininity, birth and generation, and with the Night.
Yang, by contrast, is characterized as fast, hard, solid, dry, focused, hot, and aggressive. They are associated with Masculinity and with the Daytime.
Catalix said:Very satisfying theory, duckroll.
Also, I like the idea of Jacob using "the game" as a way to work out his own personal demons. Like he feels direct guilt for some tragic event in the past, and is using that as an underlying motivation for his actions throughout the centuries.
:lolZeliard said:Jacob, I don't know if anyone's ever told you this, but man, you're a grade-A asshole.
Sincerely,
Jack
P.S. lol bye
Zeliard said:He wants everyone to have a chance at leading a better life because he himself was given a second chance a long time ago, perhaps.
Of course, the people he brings to the island keep being killed, so who knows.
duckroll said:My take on his conversation with Richard is that he doesn't intend for the people he brings to the island to get killed, but he just felt powerless to stop it. He could have felt that if he intervened, it would weaken his position.
The idea of the island as a second chance is definitely something that has been in the show since the start, and even Jacob himself said, when they're here their past doesn't matter. It seems to be that his intentions are not bad, but he is far from perfect or noble because he values some personal opinion of inaction more than he values the actual outcome of the people he brings to the island. Richard seemed to have changed his stand on it a little, but honestly I won't be surprised if we eventually find out that Jacob is not exactly all-knowing and perfect, and that in many ways people died because he is incompetent.
Think of it as a guy who decides to save some animals, and brings them into his home. He has various other animals in his home and he isn't good at training or looking after animals. He only feels that they're better off with shelter and food than out in the wild or wandering the streets. Then they turn on each other and get killed. The guy is sad and disappointed, but he doesn't know what he can do to change this, so he allows it to continue happening.
DamonLindelof - 9 minutes ago
William Mapother sent me this link after trying to explain this to me whilst I was drunk. Fascinating. http://bit.ly/fFS6b
:lol :lol :lol :lolThis page was linked by Damon Lindelof on Twitter on May 11, 2010, twelve days before the series finale of LOST, a show that revolves around finding answers. [5]
duckroll said:Okay, I'm posting my theory for MIB's lack of name, let me know what you guys think. Dead doesn't buy it, but I'll prove him wrong, I'll prove everyone wrong!!
I think that at some point in the past, the character Titus plays is someone very important to Jacob. But he is not Smokie. I think we will get the name of that character in this episode, but it will not be the monster. Instead at some point the person who will become the monster will kill this person, and Jacob will have a personal stake in stopping this person, resulting in him losing his body but not dying. Jacob then stays on the island as a guardian to stop the nameless evil from leaving the island, while the nameless evil takes on the form of Jacob's brother/friend as a way of taunting him. Jacob never says his name because he doesn't know his true name, and he will not acknowledge that thing as the person he is impersonating.
duckroll said:Here's something I've been pondering on for a while. Jacob has been talking to Hurley. He tells Hurley directly that he's a candidate, and gives him directions on stuff he needs done or places that need going to. He has no qualms about directly approaching Hurley as a human and as a ghost and saying and doing these things. He has done it off island and on island.
Will we ever find out why? Is Hurley also an exception to the rules? Or is Jacob simply using Hurley because Hurley is ready to believe in anything and is more gullible and accepting than any of the other candidates?
Because this episode has the potential to knock our socks off and then someduckroll said:I guess it depends on whether Jacob is willingly playing the game, or whether Jacob is just part of the game dictated by a higher power. If Jacob and MIB are playing the game out of their own free will, yeah that wouldn't work. If Jacob simply accepted that as the guardian on the island he is subject certain rules, just like his nemesis, then it could still work.
Goddamnit I'm supposed to be the mythos hating guy, why am I so excited for this episode?! :lol
I'm also very interested in next week's episode cause of the title. These last few episodes are shaping up to be some of the best of the series.Solo said:Tonight's the night everyone is splooging over, but its next week's ep that intrigues me more than any other episode this season, based on title alone.
Before S6 premiered, I was ready to accept thatMr Cola said:i was always of the belief MIB is Jacob, duality of man sort of thing only his duality is more literal than others.
Zeliard said:Isn't Hurley the only person that's been seen communicating with the dead? Perhaps Jacob went to him because Hurley's the only one he can actually communicate with now.
Whether or not we ever find out how Hurley can do that remains to be seen.
duckroll said:Well then would that mean that if Ben had not killed Jacob, and when the Oceanic Six flashed back into regular time, Jacob would be ready to talk to all of them in person? I guess we'll never know the answer the that question...
....Or did they?KevinCow said:You know, they always talk about dying alone, but Sun and Jin died together.
SpeedingUptoStop said:That would be pretty badass, but I dunno how they could write the culminating moment of jack's life, and then have him say "Fuck you." afterwards. He's kind of pushed all of his chips in on the "faith in the island" business.