People seem to start fleeing BEFORE the first shots ring out.
people definitely react to the second lot of shots around 3:40. It's right as the song ends too so you can more clearly hear where they're coming from and people move towards the exit.
People seem to start fleeing BEFORE the first shots ring out.
People seem to start fleeing BEFORE the first shots ring out.
When you're further away from the commotion of the audience, you take in more information about the ambiance of the environment. Without the speakers and sound going on in the crowd, you're naturally going to be more aware of other things going on.
Additionally, bullets give off a startling crack noise that fireworks simply don't give away. That's due to their sonic signature. At their distance, you aren't hearing the actual gunshot (the stuff that sound like fireworks at certain distance), but the sound of a bullet breaking the sound barrier.
Trust me on this, it's riveting and probably some of the scariest things I've heard.
new (long) gopro video showing initial shots, crowd's delayed reaction, and crowds escaping en masse (sound of bullets passing overhead)
https://youtu.be/muiHkkbPpdU
Guys...
Im watching that gopro video, and i watched a few others, and its not really matching up.
This shit is weird. I think Ive given it too much thought.
Jeesuz, a gun nut co-worker of mine just tried to say this mass shooting was the festival organizer's fault: they didn't have counter-sniper teams working security who could have stopped this before many people were hurt.
I'm like WTF.
This is Las Vegas, not a war zone. Should it be expected that you have to assign counter-sniper teams to a country music festival?!
Who would want to live in a country where snipers should be expected at events in order to protect them.Jeesuz, a gun nut co-worker of mine just tried to say this mass shooting was the festival organizer's fault: they didn't have counter-sniper teams working security who could have stopped this before many people were hurt.
I'm like WTF.
This is Las Vegas, not a war zone. Should it be expected that you have to assign counter-sniper teams to a country music festival?!
Seriously.Who would want to live in a country where snipers should be expected at events in order to protect them.
Who would want to live in a country where snipers should be expected at events in order to protect them.
that's absurd - we shouldn't have to monitor every public gathering like the president is speaking - but I guess I'll give him a little credit for finding a way to claim the solution is "more guns" without sounding like a total moron.Jeesuz, a gun nut co-worker of mine just tried to say this mass shooting was the festival organizer's fault: they didn't have counter-sniper teams working security who could have stopped this before many people were hurt.
I'm like WTF.
This is Las Vegas, not a war zone. Should it be expected that you have to assign counter-sniper teams to a country music festival?!
that's absurd - we shouldn't have to monitor every public gathering like the president is speaking - but I guess I'll give him a little credit for finding a way to claim the solution is "more guns" without sounding like a total moron.
The crazy thing was him trying to hit gas tanks at McCarran airport. Dude was living out some murder death kill fantasy. Some legit insanity on display
SHIT. I just realized something. He was trying to buy tracer bullets. Tracer bullets are pyrotechnic, they have a small flare to illuminate the bullets path. Guess what happens if a tracer were to hit and penetrate the gas tanks? Strange though because the reports say the dealer he was trying to buy from didn't have as much as he wanted. You'd think he'd still take them if it still gave him a chance to blow them up.
Edit: Actually he did buy a thousand tracer rounds apparently. He didn't use them, though. If a tracer found its way to fuel though...oh boy.
no, i mean, it's still dumb.... just less dumb than the idiots jumping to their go-to rationale and insisting that if only all the concertgoers were armed, they could have shot down the gunman - at night, in a hotel room 32 stories up and hundreds of yards away - with their, uh, concealed handguns?Nah, still a fucking moron clinging to any excuse not to have less guns in maniacs' hands.
Not all tracer rounds stay lit upon impact, nor is that their main purpose. They can cause fires after impact, the scumbag probably wanted to make corrections to his shooting on full auto easier by following tracers or to let him know when his magazines were almost empty.
It comes to a point right now with no note I wonder if we will ever find out this assholes motive.
Who would want to live in a country where snipers should be expected at events in order to protect them.
Jeesuz, a gun nut co-worker of mine just tried to say this mass shooting was the festival organizer's fault: they didn't have counter-sniper teams working security who could have stopped this before many people were hurt.
I'm like WTF.
This is Las Vegas, not a war zone. Should it be expected that you have to assign counter-sniper teams to a country music festival?!
You are giving it too much thought.Guys...
Im watching that gopro video, and i watched a few others, and its not really matching up.
This shit is weird. I think Ive given it too much thought.
Wow. They all freaked out and put their back up against the wall without even listening.
Man white people get easily shook when they get called out on their shit huh
Wow. They all freaked out and put their back up against the wall without even listening.
We (minorities) really live in different worlds/different lived experiences than white people. Some white people (like the people on this panel) just can accept that fact and try to see things from our perspective. If they did, the world would be a better place.The old white woman looked like she was going to flip a table at the end jesus.... Such rage at an accurate observation.
I'm white and fuck the response from those white people. Can't handle having their bubble of superiority burst on live air by a PoC. Seems more important to them that they don't look bad than actually facing reality.We (minorities) really live in different worlds/different lived experiences than white people. Some white people (like the people on this panel) just can accept that fact and try to see things from our perspective. If they did, the world would be a better place.
Exactly.I'm white and fuck the response from those white people. Can't handle having their bubble of superiority burst on live air by a PoC. Seems more important to them that they don't look bad than actually facing reality.
Read the thread. We are literally talking about that right now.Did they find out the motive behind this heinous act?
Read the thread. We are literally talking about that right now.
No.
Sounds like he was just an asshole.He just didn't like people. Sorry I don't have any links handy but there have been several articles over the last few days on how he interacted with people. He would even make flight plans that went out of his way just to avoid having to talk to air traffic controllers. He just didn't like people.
Mental health is still an unknown frontier. In 50 years I think it will be quite obvious when someone feels disconnected, disgruntled and/or disturbed. But we ignore a lot of negativity that our own society embraces as the norm, so there's a lot of confusing shit to wade through before it becomes obvious that there are some real problems going on in people.This is so messed up!
...I don't think the gun debate is the topic here, I think mental health is