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[Kimosabae]

What I was insinuating in my original quote is that, again, it's not really a problem until the fan base has nothing to play, and therefore, definitely sees a clear and present problem.

So to me, the best answer is to just play it smarter, and make sure people have something to play. Keep the scene healthy with an equally healthy variety of games to play. In other words, don't "drop the combo", Capcom. :lol

So you don't think Capcom could suffer potential diminishing returns from being subject to combo damage scaling, when they could simply reset their opponent for an opportunity to garner more wholesome damage later? Sure, it would take a good read of the market's okizeme options, but I think past matches have clearly shown the market is more inclined to be defensive on wakeup when recovering from a large string of hits. Therefore, I think "playing it smarter" for Capcom, would mean going for the educated guess, rather than simply getting greedy and settling for the guaranteed, yet, heavily scaled damage.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Is that... Joseph?

 

[Dizzle24]

Watchig G4 Attack of The Show and they just announced that it's Namco vs Capcom. Said they will use street fighter 4 engine for one version, Tekken 6 engine for the other version...so 2 games?...

 

[LowParry]

Watchig G4 Attack of The Show and they just announced that it's Namco vs Capcom. Said they will use street fighter 4 engine for one version, Tekken 6 engine for the other version...so 2 games?...

As rumors suggest.

 

[Askia47]

They actually confirmed it?

 

[Dizzle24]

As rumors suggest.

Indeed.

 

[Dizzle24]

They actually confirmed it?

Not Capcom or Namco, but "a source." I'm just repeating what I saw on TV.

 

[Kusagari]

G4's "source" is probably internet rumors.

 

[Platy]

Any new info ? pics ? teaser trailer ? press release ?

Anything that proves that they aren't just "reposting" the rumors ?

 

[Snakeyes]

Watchig G4 Attack of The Show and they just announced that it's Namco vs Capcom. Said they will use street fighter 4 engine for one version, Tekken 6 engine for the other version...so 2 games?...

Noooooo

 

[LowParry]

-countdowns the meltdowns-

 

[Dizzle24]

G4's "source" is probably internet rumors.

Haha true. Never really watched this show before; switched my cable package today and now I have G4...

 

[DyTonic]

Nothing confirmed, probably just an all star fighting game...

 

[LowParry]

Ya know, that right image has me going for as being Jin. The thick bushy eyebrows and the hair.

 

[Blueblur1]

If this turns out to be Capcom vs. Namco I will be severely disappointed. I wanted a new Darkstalkers game.

 

[Lyte Edge]

G4's "source" is probably internet rumors.

I'd say something here but I promised I wouldn't say what I know.

 

[LowParry]

I'd say something here but I promised I wouldn't say what I know.

You and MarkMan. I swear to god. You tease us and yet it's like you're saying the rumors are true. :lol

 

[Poimandres]

I'd say something here but I promised I wouldn't say what I know.

Then don't say anything at all you bloody tease!

 

[palpabl_purpura]

Please. . . !! CvS3

 

[sixteen-bit]

Watchig G4 Attack of The Show and they just announced that it's Namco vs Capcom. Said they will use street fighter 4 engine for one version, Tekken 6 engine for the other version...so 2 games?...

my dreams of shonen vs. capcom shattered

oh well arc has an announcement on the 23rd, i'm hype

 

[panda21]

fucking tekken

 

[Dizzy-4U]

Where's kensk when you need him?

 

[MarkMan]

You and MarkMan. I swear to god. You tease us and yet it's like you're saying the rumors are true. :lol

oh

=) I'm excited about whatever happensss

 

[sixteen-bit]

Where's kensk when you need him?

murdered by capcom ninjas

you know, strider, ibuki, etc

 

[entremet]

Damn. I really wanted Vampire.

 

[AAK]

Ya know, that right image has me going for as being Jin. The thick bushy eyebrows and the hair.

Damn, I am impressed.

I am a believer.

 

[Dynamic3]

Super Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

 

[Kimosabae]

Super Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

Possibly the least creative exercise of this meme I've ever seen.

 

[hxa155]

Yep, that's definitely Jin.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I can't wrap my head around how the heck will this work, but I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

I can't wrap my head around how the heck will this work, but I'm looking forward to it.

Same here but all I know is they're both DAY ONE.

 

[Platy]

it is a VS game ... this means shinku shoryukens of the size of the screen..... fighting aginst ... people with only punches ?

The more i think about it, the less sense it makes

 

[Dizzy-4U]

it is a VS game ... this means shinku shoryukens of the size of the screen..... fighting aginst ... people with only punches ?

The more i think about it, the less sense it makes

Well, it didn't worked like that in Capcom Vs SNK, so there's still hope.

Also, nice teasing there in your twitter Markman >_>

 

[Killa Sasa]

it is a VS game ... this means shinku shoryukens of the size of the screen..... fighting aginst ... people with only punches ?

The more i think about it, the less sense it makes

I'm thinking closer to CvS2?

 

[TreIII]

So you don't think Capcom could suffer potential diminishing returns from being subject to combo damage scaling, when they could simply reset their opponent for an opportunity to garner more wholesome damage later? Sure, it would take a good read of the market's okizeme options, but I think past matches have clearly shown the market is more inclined to be defensive on wakeup when recovering from a large string of hits. Therefore, I think "playing it smarter" for Capcom, would mean going for the educated guess, rather than simply getting greedy and settling for the guaranteed, yet, heavily scaled damage.

Each strategy has its risks, but I think staying on the offensive is what could stand to benefit the Capcom groove more.

Again, as the past match-ups showcased, trying to go more conservative is what caused Capcom to be practically shut out entirely. The notion of "Empty canceling" only works if you stand to have something really big afterward, that makes it all the worthwhile. That's not what can be said for the likes of CvS2 -> CFJ. At all. :lol

But seriously, as long as the West still does more to go to the beat of Capcom's drum, the market is theirs. Mix-ups (with different styles of fighting games that can cater to different markets) is the way to go about it, and that seems to be the overall tone they're taking, since we don't stand to see SF5 for another few years any way. Besides, they're not even making the games themselves any more. They're getting code monkey devs like 8ing and Dimps to do it, which only makes things that much easier for them.

So, again, my thinking is like this: now that the the mass-market is basically docile enough that they'll likely buy anything that Capcom puts out, it's on Capcom themselves to keep it that way. And the best way to do that is to make sure that there's at least one answer per year, if not two. MvC3 being a more "casual" game, while a Namco-Capcom prospect stands to be much more hardcore, could definitely do more to repeat what TvC and SSF4 did this year, dynamic-wise.

 

[voodoopanda]

All I want is the ability to play as Pac-Man.

 

[Platy]

more delicious quotes* from Ono !

RT @Louie_E Capcom Vs. Namco running on the SSFIV engine! ;]
I wish I could see that title just once.

RT @Jamgief The news is out! Tell the truth! http://kotaku.com/5591240/rumor-namco-vs-capcom-capcom-vs-namco-in-development
It would almost take a miracle to achieve it!!

RT @ShinAkka plz make ur version of cap vs nam better than namcos!
I'll call Harada-san as Namco to determine if a make can be arranged.

RT @Nederob Can you explain the philosophy behind two games Cap vs Nam&Nam vs Cap?Cooperation impossible?
It's very difficult for them.

A lot people ask me "Can the rumor be true? " That sounds interesting. It's difficult to substantiate.

Now, I called Harada-san as Tekken Project Leader. He was laughing about Rumor.

RT @zenga83: why else are you so focusing about Harada-san?
Fufufu,Harada-san and I had known each other as friends for many.

RT @JoeAmoudi: what do you think of this ? http://bit.ly/9jTEUJ
You're good! It's quick at work.

RT @JPBreganza: Haha we're all so anxious to kno what is going on! What else is there to hide?
Fufufu, Plz wait, on Saturday.

*not really

 

[SpeedySwaf]

If the rumors turn out to be true, I wonder if we'll see 'only' Namco characters, or if they'll try to pull in some other Bandai properties as well.

 

[Kimosabae]

So, again, my thinking is like this: now that the the mass-market is basically docile enough that they'll likely buy anything that Capcom puts out, it's on Capcom themselves to keep it that way.

Don't know why you even assume this but or why you feel SF4 actually sells to the mass-market - which is demonstrably false, but whatever.

 

[Nabs]

Glad to hear about SSFIV Arcade. Hopefully PC soon.

 

[TreIII]

Don't know why you even assume this but or why you feel SF4 actually sells to the mass-market - which is demonstrably false, but whatever.

The power of nostalgia compelled many people to support SF4. Or at least, 2.7 million of them WW, if Capcom's IR is anything to go by.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/11/02/capcom_million_sellers/

 

[Kimosabae]

And you consider 2 million units to be "mass-market"?

Industry doom: imminent.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Um yes, it is big. For a fighting game that's already a huge amount.

Exactly.

Ryu IMO is one of the worst characters in Street Fighter.

Ken >>>> Ryu fact.

Pfft, people just like Ken more because he's a dudebro.

 

[C-Jo]

Pfft, people just like Ken more because he's a dudebro.

I'd buy that alt.

 

[El Sloth]

Pfft, people just like Ken more because he's a dudebro.

And how is this a bad thing?

 

[GotchaForce]

On the one hand, I don't want it to be SF vs Tekken because they've used so many characters for SSF4 (and I hope they add more via dlc) that there's barely any more I'd like to see in that engine. But, I dunno if I'd want a Capcom vs Namco considering this would be the 3rd VS game in like 2 years (oversaturating)...

 

[Kimosabae]

Um yes, it is big. For a fighting game that's already a huge amount.



Pfft, people just like Ken more because he's a dudebro.

Keep in mind this is world wide. For a fighting game, yes, that's very successful. Trying to play it off as a blockbuster success is disingenuous. 2.7 units is hardly mass-critical. Not even close. There's about 70 million 360/PS3 units in the wild.

 

[TreIII]

And you consider 2 million units to be "mass-market"?

Industry doom: imminent.

As mass market as the "traditional" fighting game mold is going to get. SF4 served its purpose in this light, and obviously, Capcom was pleased with the results. MvC3 will likely continue in this same vein.

I mean seriously, if you're expecting the likes of SF or Soul Calibur to be able to match the likes of Smash Bros. Brawl's LTD sales, then I don't know what to say. :lol

 

[Boss Doggie]

And how is this a bad thing?

Oh I didn't say that it's a bad thing, just pointing it out.

I am not particularly fond with any shoto-character save Dan because in essence they're all the same in attitude, just "tweaked".

Keep in mind this is world wide. For a fighting game, yes, that's very successful. Trying to play it off as a blockbuster success is disingenuous. 2.7 units is hardly mass-critical. Not even close. There's about 70 million 360/PS3 units in the wild.

It's the genre - it's naturally not meant to have a mass appeal. Thankfully SF4 has something to back on, same with Marvel.

 

[Kimosabae]

Good. We all agree SF4 isn't a truly mass market game. My original point stands. I'm done here.