PS3 is well ahead of that number now, 3.9 million is a very old number.
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Germany sales update: PS4 2.8 million, Wii U 690k, XB1 600k
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PS3 is well ahead of that number now, 3.9 million is a very old number.
Only silver lining I can see is PS4 owners buying a second console because it's cheap enough. (Make it 200 maybe.) Other than that, no dice. Halo didn't change anything. PS4 is THE console to have.
I was more talking about the switching part, I never doubted revenue was bigger for console.
Also, "dying" might be hyperbole, but "on sharp decline" wouldn't be.
The biggest effort is the price, outside of that they haven't done that much to appeal to the European market.
Chobel
Member
We know PS4+XBO hit 5.5 million at the end of 2015 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1170449, and we know PS4 outsold XBO by a good amount (>500K). So PS4 must be +3M in UK.
YianGaruga
Banned
what efforts?
4.2 through June 2014 is the last we had I believe.
aygomyownroad
Member
WiiU had a head start its all good!
Not surprising, I think most of Europe would be the same with the exception of the UK?
Not surprising, I think most of Europe would be the same with the exception of the UK?
Microsoft are screwed in the console space. I think this is it for Xbox.
Xbox One sales are declining in Europe (or close to flat lining) when it should be increasing. It's only going to get more brutal for the console at this point.
But 'what about another Xbox' I hear you say? The next generation is all about VR capabilities (although as you know I believe it won't kick off). It will, however, dominate news channels and generate critical hype. Microsoft have quite literally ZERO VR capabilities. They are at least 5 years behind Sony in that regard. They simply won't be able to compete in its current position.
So, Xbox One sales are declining, or at least the gap is continually rising, and they are in a poor position to compete against the inevitable PlayStation 5. Xbox is done, and it'll become some sort of PC service.
I'd like to make a thread about this discussion...
Xbox One sales are declining in Europe (or close to flat lining) when it should be increasing. It's only going to get more brutal for the console at this point.
But 'what about another Xbox' I hear you say? The next generation is all about VR capabilities (although as you know I believe it won't kick off). It will, however, dominate news channels and generate critical hype. Microsoft have quite literally ZERO VR capabilities. They are at least 5 years behind Sony in that regard. They simply won't be able to compete in its current position.
So, Xbox One sales are declining, or at least the gap is continually rising, and they are in a poor position to compete against the inevitable PlayStation 5. Xbox is done, and it'll become some sort of PC service.
I'd like to make a thread about this discussion...
Yes but they sold 3.9M from 2007 to 2013. PS4 sold 2.8M in 2 years.
chromatic9
Member
1.2 million for FIFA, UK has sold more than double at 2.5 million.
Good PS4 numbers though, I guess UK is 3-3.5 million PS4s? Probably get some announcement soon.
In Germany?
2013
PS4 0.25
XB1 0.1
2.5:1
2014
PS4 1.15
XB1 0.23
5:1
2015
PS4 1.4
XB1 0.27
5.2:1
Haunted
Member
Mirrors my own personal observations. PS4 dominates the console space, with WiiU and XB1 fighting over the crumbs. PC is strong as ever, 360 might still be more popular than the XB1, 3DS dominates the handheld space. Don't see this changing anytime soon. Germany (and from my understanding, the rest of Europe sans UK as well) is lost to Microsoft, they'll have to double down on the US to make up for the console failing in the rest of the world.
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XB1 is increased by 21% this year in Germany.
For a comparation, in USA are increased by 13%.
I can understand those sales sucks, but what decline?
PdotMichael
Banned
Even the Xbox 360 was easily beaten by the more expensive and later released PS3.
The brand Microsoft is quite toxic in most countries in Europe.
Chobel
Member
Thanks!
Canis lupus
Member
Woah, the PS4 might catch up PS3's total LTD this year.
But it's still true that "PS4 sold ~70% in 2 years what PS3 took ~6.5-7 years to sell".
Tbh those are not sale driving efforts. No one's looking to get a weaker console for the same price of a PS4 where all their friends are. The only thing that would set the Xbox apart are 1. undercut the ps4 by 100 euro 2. the games and there's not enough of those.
But it's still true that "PS4 sold ~70% in 2 years what PS3 took ~6.5-7 years to sell".
Tbh those are not sale driving efforts. No one's looking to get a weaker console for the same price of a PS4 where all their friends are. The only thing that would set the Xbox apart are 1. undercut the ps4 by 100 euro 2. the games and there's not enough of those.
By that I mean all the 180s on policies, BC, OS updates, GwG including bc games, price dumps and bundles...
I have no love being lost for MS, but even I can admit they are trying (even if it sometimes leads to desperate misguided stuff like tje TR debacle).
Yep, sorry. Changed to flat lining or close to. Gap is increasing.
serversurfer
Member
For Welfare;
Edit. Germany was 100.4% of US pace in March, so the drop has been since that point.
Code:
US:
2013: 1817k
2014-15: 9314k
x5.126
Germany:
2013: 100k
2014-15: 500k
x5.000 (97.5% of US pace)Edit. Germany was 100.4% of US pace in March, so the drop has been since that point.
I know the show but I still don't get itMeanwhile at Xbox Germany headquarters... full meeting
Phil Spencer
I think in Germany a second console is more likely coming from Nintendo than from MS.
ResidentDante
Member
Are you an expert and just watched MS shoot themselves in the foot?
Would it be if you exclude Japan?
No, but the transition of how Xbox sales are recorded in Microsoft's quarterly reports are rather telling of its future.
It'll become a service.
That's because the German chart is the Playstation chart guest starring other platforms, while in the UK both platforms are successful.
Canis lupus
Member
On the contrary, the fact they misread the market, the PS4 doing so well will convince them to do another Xbox, one that's a beast hardware wise. Now if the PS4 didn't do so well, then the Xbox console future might be uncertain.
For sure. They are racking in the sales und getting basically free money from MS.
1st Course
Member
Do we actually know that for sure? I don't think we have UK figures for the Wii U, like at all.
They did everything right with the 360, and Europe and Japan still chose the PS3.
I think MS should just focus on regaining their lost marketshare in the US, which has a higher chance of happening than making any dent in Europe.
mocolostrocolos
Member
PS4 sells more than the double of the combined rivals.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Wii U software does well in Germany and France, but the UK absolutely hates the Wii U (and Japanese games in general), I think his assumption is a safe one.
FIFA 16:
PS3: 200k+
XBO: 100k+
Both got this award in december - so PS Fifa 16 should be around 800-850k.
Edit: Forgot PC but it is still below 100k.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Larger PC market is probably why Germany is considered a bigger market compared to the UK.
For the majority, sure. But there are also people who won't buy a Nintendo machine no matter what. MS could get those people. Maybe.
But talking from personal experience, people here are much more likely to build a gaming PC than getting a second console (an Xbox One).
If you look at what the focus was at the original Xbox one unveil that was the plan all along anyway.
I think the Xbox performing poorly (or at least not as well as hoped) merely accelerated everything.
MS did not everything right with the 360. Aside from brand power Sony is so ahead in europe for the same reason the Xbox brand is popular in Mexico.
secondspace
Member
Great console that it was, they didn't do everything right with the 360, they had the RROD fiasco. Following that up with TV, TV, TV, NFL and Kinect is spectacularly wrong. I'd be concerned that MS dropping out would lead to another bloated and expensive Sony console, but MS need to do much better if they do go again.
It's not doing poorly overall, only in Non-English speaking markets, it's doing quite well in the US and the UK.
They lost quite a bit of marketshare in all markets, and dramatically so in Europe.
If the branch wasn't peanuts for MS's overall numbers i don't think things would be as calm as they are now. MS is a global brand. I'm sure they want Xbox to be one as well.
I would say it's probably bigger in the rest of Europe.
Here in Portugal PS4's advantage is bigger than that I think. Spain too if I'm not mistaken.
Dat unprecedented partnership.
While this is very true, they've eroded a lot of mindshare this gen.
The way the video game industry is so globalised, it's almost foolish to perpetually bank on literally just two regions as a console manufacturer.
If we go by Steamspy, Germany has more users, but UK PC users own way more games. It's actually leading over Germany in total games owned.