I mean he could be a phony, but he also could be telling the truth. It ultimately comes down to if you believe it, I personally don't believe they hype.
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Rick & Morty [Mafia] |OT| Someone's been spending too much time around glowing rocks
- Thread starter AbsolutBro
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What's your excuse for scum reading CCS? Or do you think the real mason has stayed quiet this whole time for reasons?
I've been wanting an answer to this for a while.
In two minds about the whole thing. Suspecting semi-confirmed or confirmed town players seems like a very bold thing for scum to do, but that turns into WIFOM very quickly.
A) could be lying from the start and is scum b) hoping on bandwagons, and is town...yet still ends up voting for the people that get lynched.
Lying from the start on what? You saw Bronx's role PM, I can go quote it for you if you want. A second mason has to exist. If CCS is lying then the real mason would have said something by now, it's been like 2 or 3 days. There is exactly 0 reason to withhold information if you are the real mason because even if we mislynch the real mason, we get a free lynch on the person lying the following day.
Well then I never said I was certain of the people on my list, just who I personally suspected...
Right but why are you even using energy to read CCS? If the person is 100% confirmed to be town then why is it even a topic to bring to the table? Like I understand if you want to believe me or not, all you have is my word and Ouro's flip, but CCS shouldn't even be a question. As said above, it seems ridiculous for scum to even draw attention like this but whether scum or town, this plays like someone not paying attention which doesn't help anyone.
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DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Kawl_USC (2)
Faddy 2051
Dusk Soldier 2071
The Wizard (2)
Penguin 2020
Zeusy 2102
Zeusy (1)
Giant Panda 2089
Faddy (1)
Dr. Worm 2098
Nomadic Sparks (1)
Sorian 1988
Penguin (0):The Wizard 2008 2025
No active vote for Day 5: CCS, Fat4all, Kawl_USC, Nomadic Sparks, SalvaPot, The Wizard (has previously voted), Verelios
Day 5 Postcount: CCS 3, Dr. Worm 5, Dusk Soldier 6, Faddy 28, Fat4all 19, Giant Panda 6, Kawl_USC 32, Nomadic Sparks 8, Penguin 6, SalvaPot 10, Sorian 20, The Wizard 8, Verelios 4, Zeusy 8
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
Kawl_USC (2)
Faddy 2051
Dusk Soldier 2071
The Wizard (2)
Penguin 2020
Zeusy 2102
Zeusy (1)
Giant Panda 2089
Faddy (1)
Dr. Worm 2098
Nomadic Sparks (1)
Sorian 1988
Penguin (0):
No active vote for Day 5: CCS, Fat4all, Kawl_USC, Nomadic Sparks, SalvaPot, The Wizard (has previously voted), Verelios
Day 5 Postcount: CCS 3, Dr. Worm 5, Dusk Soldier 6, Faddy 28, Fat4all 19, Giant Panda 6, Kawl_USC 32, Nomadic Sparks 8, Penguin 6, SalvaPot 10, Sorian 20, The Wizard 8, Verelios 4, Zeusy 8
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
What I'm trying to understand is, your entire argument has already been proven flawed by having confirmed town on the train. Well, that's fine, maybe they're scum doing a convoluted ruse or Gambit, maybe they're lying, it's all possible. But you haven't really expanded on why you're suspicious beyond a gut feeling. So here:
I'm left wondering what sets Wizard apart from the other four in your mind, besides you retroactively admitting they seem town confirmed. It seems arbitrary, given you're suspicious of four people for the same actions.
Nomadic is a real outlier for me. On one hand, I feel like there's no way scum would be this disorganized and unprepared, even as coasting strategy. On the other... it's Nomadic. His life is going to be a damacles over our heads every second until game end unless he dies and we confirm his alignment. I guarantee you we'll still be talking about this two days later in a will we, won't we dance that scum will surely always try to take advantage of. So, yeah, real conflicted, because if we had one scum down or any leeway I'd jump on this chance immediately, no questions asked.
If I were scum and realised you were a cop (which I did sorta suspect...kind of) that early in the game you would be dead on night 3.
I wrote that post late last night and it was me trying to explain when and why I decided to read you as town. So on that Zeusy lynch I had Fat and CCS, you were the next obvious person to recruit as a strong town.
That's easy to say now that I'm an outed cop and still not dead which is why I'm kind of meh on my Dusk check but that's for another time.
Speaking of Dusk, I like how Salva just disappeared the second his fascination got deflated.
if you don't believe Sorian is the real deal, shouldn't you be trying to lynch him? there's not really any townie reason to lie about being a cop
Idk sorian all the roles we've seen so far have been pretty passive, reactive, or limited pretty heavily. I think that unless you get killed via hitting scum that I'm gonna trust that your shits accurate. I mean if Salva is telling the truth he shouldn't be targeting you and if he isn't then he isn't a jailor any ways and you should be okay.
Right it's these posts that make me think zeusy is just a player who doesn't put particular care or emphasize accurately keeping up with the game state. He'll be added to the lists of those preferentially lynched on day 1 from here on out. But I still don't feel he's any more likely to be scum just based on that. Scum usually at least have teammates to provide recaps/basic points.
Salva isn't my worry, it was just an observation that he disappeared. My worry is that I didn't get killed right away which means scum is either worried about a doc or has a roleblocker which is why I'm holding my Dusk check in a lower light than the rest.
At this point killing the people you've confirmed is the route I would take. Eventually you'll kill your self by hitting scum and since you've decided (justifiably or not) to not breadcrumb or announce your Target it essentially gives scum an extra kill for no chance of being revealed. But that back fires if you keep successfully picking town, which might lead to another conclusion if you survive another night, but I'll hold off on that for now.
Yea I get why you think that way, but honestly what roles have we seen that would warrant a scum role blocker? 2 masons, a lynch revenge killer, and a jailor? RB isn't doing much there.
Nomadic apparently
All it takes is me and a doc to justify a roleblocker. Not a gigantic worry but something I want people to keep in mind.
Salva needs to get in here and fully explain his role and targets.
Doctors typically don't save weak cops though.
(I have been reading mafiascum wikia while developing my own game)
I've been working on the assumption that he is. Can you find the post where he walked it back? I don't remember reading any.
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Not from their own ability, but just the chance of the doctor existing probably scared off scum for going against Sorian directly.
It's also possible that Sorian's roleblock scenario is why he's still around.
I don't think Gafia has enough exposure to know how to handle weak cops correctly so while you are right, nothing is really stopping a doc from being on me.
He has a vague post earlier than this one saying something about how playing jailer is so hard but he's definitely let us fill in the blanks more than naught. He has no direct claim out.
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I'm pretty sure he said it was roleblock + protection at some point.
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DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Kawl_USC (2)
Faddy 2051
Dusk Soldier 2071
Zeusy (1)
Giant Panda 2089
The Wizard (1)
Penguin 2020 2127
Zeusy 2102
Faddy (1)
Dr. Worm 2098
Nomadic Sparks (1)
Sorian 1988
Penguin (0):The Wizard 2008 2025
No active vote for Day 5: CCS, Fat4all, Kawl_USC, Nomadic Sparks, Penguin (has previously voted), SalvaPot, The Wizard (has previously voted), Verelios
Day 5 Postcount: CCS 4, Dr. Worm 6, Dusk Soldier 6, Faddy 32, Fat4all 19, Giant Panda 8, Kawl_USC 38, Nomadic Sparks 8, Penguin 7, SalvaPot 10, Sorian 25, The Wizard 8, Verelios 6, Zeusy 8
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
Kawl_USC (2)
Faddy 2051
Dusk Soldier 2071
Zeusy (1)
Giant Panda 2089
The Wizard (1)
Zeusy 2102
Faddy (1)
Dr. Worm 2098
Nomadic Sparks (1)
Sorian 1988
Penguin (0):
No active vote for Day 5: CCS, Fat4all, Kawl_USC, Nomadic Sparks, Penguin (has previously voted), SalvaPot, The Wizard (has previously voted), Verelios
Day 5 Postcount: CCS 4, Dr. Worm 6, Dusk Soldier 6, Faddy 32, Fat4all 19, Giant Panda 8, Kawl_USC 38, Nomadic Sparks 8, Penguin 7, SalvaPot 10, Sorian 25, The Wizard 8, Verelios 6, Zeusy 8
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
Giant Panda
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And I should say that my understanding of a jailer is that they stop all abilities targeting a person, while Salva's protection just stops the scum kill.
Nope, vague shit.
So I talked about this yesterday. The version of a jailer that stops all abilities from targeting the jailed person is non-standard in forum mafia. If that is the case, the jailer needs to be clearly told that in their PM because the standard is just that the action acts as a dual roleblock and protect.
This is a tough read for me because he took over from LoC and he claims he targeted me on night 1 which would be strange because I claimed town PR and jailer is basically a doctor that is deterred from saving PRs but I can't expect Salva to tell us anything about LoC's play.
There are another few things Salva needs to clarify for me.
Yep, he was being purposefully vague and elusive, but he said his power affects other players so =/
The Wizard
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Just out of classes and need to catch a train now to see some standup a few hours before day end so probably won't be able to participate too much in end of day excitement. Happy to answer questions or respond to theories now and will try to have a strong vote down before becoming inactive.
That's news to me, didn't you get caught out for not knowing the town/scum flavour which would be exposed to all town regardless of PR? I've been treating you as neutral as a result but maybe I read it wrong?
Was trying to look at folks' lynch history and only Faddy has voted more than twice for the folks who ended up getting lynch. I don't necessarily read Faddy as scum so was a non-starter angle I guess.
Zeusy seems to have the most "throwaway" votes (as in ended up being the only vote for someone), but again only twice so doesn't say much.
If anyone else cares to see em all lined up
Zeusy seems to have the most "throwaway" votes (as in ended up being the only vote for someone), but again only twice so doesn't say much.
If anyone else cares to see em all lined up
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Straight vote tally scumhunting is misleading because it strips the context of things like voteblocks and "no ties" votes
Zeusy also mentioned looking at who was on successful lynches in his scumlist iirc, which makes me wonder if Penguin and Zeusy are a scumpair. Could probably go for either of them
Zeusy also mentioned looking at who was on successful lynches in his scumlist iirc, which makes me wonder if Penguin and Zeusy are a scumpair. Could probably go for either of them
Wouldn't make sense if we were to share the same strategy publicly.
I just accept that I've had terrible scum/town reads this game so instead of going with my gut feelings was trying to see if there was some pattern or methodology to weed out scum based on voting/non-voting blocks.
But he hasn't coasted when it has suited him. This isn't a pattern of inactivity it is spikes when he is in trouble.
Agree with the first half of this post, less so with the second half. I agree it's poor strategy but I agree with penguin they likely wouldn't both publicly push it if both are scum.
Is there any world where zeusy is scum if Faddy is?