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2011-2012 TV Show Cancellation Thread - CSI Miami just got *takes off shades* canned
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This may be a dumb question, but is there any sort of correlation between the 18-49 rating and the number of viewers or the share? I'm just curious because I noticed how Community and Prime Suspect are separated by 0.1 in the 18-49 rating, yet Prime Suspect had two million more viewers.
Granger Danger
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Completely different time slots, you can't compare those.RBH said:
Rafa=FedKilla
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No Secret Circle don't lose viewers. 
Granger Danger
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Prime Suspect probably skews a lot older, the elderly just love their cop stories.
Stumpokapow
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RBH said:
Number of viewers = total number of viewers of any age.
18-49 rating = Number of Nielsen points worth of 18-49 year olds who watched the show. A Nielsen point is 1 percent of the country's total TV households (a point is currently 1.15 million, but it changes)
Share = Percentage of all televisions watching tv that time slot that were watching this program in specific.
So for example if 50% of all TV households were watching TV, a 10 share would imply that 5% of all TV households were watching that particular program. If 80% of all TV households were watching TV, 10 share implies 8% of all.
Why 18-49? Advertising sales rates are based on 18-49 viewers. The entire purpose of Nielsen ratings and the entire predictive value that it has upon cancellation decisions is for advertising sales purposes. Non 18-49 numbers are only good for PR bragging (A gazillion people watched out shitty show!) rather than actual revenue.
RepairmanJack
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I am actually shocked Charlie's Angels did decent. Now to see if the viewers stick around...
NotTheGuyYouKill
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For Parks and Community, are these ratings decent?
Person Of Interest didn't bomb but it didn't have quite the blockbuster debut CBS were probably hoping for, but it was a solid start anyway. I imagine if both POI and The Mentalist can do these sorts of numbers week in, week out they'd probably be happy.
Shocked by the numbers that Prime Suspect's debut pulled in. A 1.8/5 is a horrendous rating considering the fact it's based on a (fairly?) well known UK show and an outright member of TV royalty in Maria Bello is starring in it.
NBC just cannot buy a decent debut for a new show never mind a hit.
For NBC they are juuuuuuust fine. But in saying that Whitney is guaranteed to shit the bed next week owing to the strong hate that show generated.
Shocked by the numbers that Prime Suspect's debut pulled in. A 1.8/5 is a horrendous rating considering the fact it's based on a (fairly?) well known UK show and an outright member of TV royalty in Maria Bello is starring in it.
NBC just cannot buy a decent debut for a new show never mind a hit.
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
For NBC they are juuuuuuust fine. But in saying that Whitney is guaranteed to shit the bed next week owing to the strong hate that show generated.
Granger Danger
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How is she TV royalty when her biggest TV role to date is a recurring spot on ER?
Keyser Soze
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Charlie's Angels is fine. It will continue on unabated. You are all crazy haters.
Granger Danger said:
Well she's a 'name' (or should that be face) in TV terms and really who else would have been able to take on the iconic (if you're British anyway) Helen Mirren role?
But regardless of us arguing about the merits of Maria Bello (surely the first time that's been written on the Internet) those are horrible premiere numbers for the show. Even for NBC.
RepairmanJack
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ivysaur12 said:
How are those not considered decent going up against Big Bang and X Factor? Sure not the best in demo, but for it's timeslot I would definitely consider it decent.
Granger Danger
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Game over for Mario Bello. The suspect was in another castle.ivysaur12 said:
RepairmanJack
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ivysaur12 said:
Well sure, I'm not debating that. Those stand alone numbers though, are somewhat decent. I'm just surprised it didn't bomb out of the gate.
polyh3dron
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I dunno, I think Minka Kelly is really acute.Franklinator said:
RepairmanJack said:
There's no such things as "stand-alone." Yeah, those numbers are better than My Generation, but the show probably isn't going to get a back 9 if it follows the general television trend.
If it had premiered in the mid-to-high 2s, then yeah, that would have been decent. These? They aren't decent. They're kind of bad.
EDIT: Also, WOOF at The Secret Circle. It's matching Ringer now with a much better lead-in. Poor CW.
EDIT 2: Watching Charlie's Angels now. I thought women couldn't serve in combat roles in the military? Also, this show is horrendously terrible in almost every way. Why, Minka, why?!
What I would do based off of last night's performances:
- Up All Night stays, Free Agents sent to die
- Fear Factor replaces Harry's Law
- Harry's Law goes to Mondays at 10pm
- BFFs follows Up All Night (BFFs is funnier than Bent, but I think would be a better match for Up All Night?). OR, Bent follows Up All Night while BFFs waits in the wings
- Prime Suspect gets 13 and is done
- Awake goes 10pm Thursdays at midseason
Awake will only have to go against The Mentalist, Private Practice, and Jersey Shore. Sunny isn't really a ratings threat.
- Feel Charlie's Angels out. I would also be tempted to move Castle to Thursdays at 8 and put Scandal on Mondays, but I don't know. Also, order more episodes of Scandal (only 7 right now)
- Keep Revenge on Wednesdays, full season order in the next few weeks if it holds in the mid-2s.
- I don't know what I would do about The River, doesn't really fit into anything else on ABC.
- Up All Night stays, Free Agents sent to die
- Fear Factor replaces Harry's Law
- Harry's Law goes to Mondays at 10pm
- BFFs follows Up All Night (BFFs is funnier than Bent, but I think would be a better match for Up All Night?). OR, Bent follows Up All Night while BFFs waits in the wings
- Prime Suspect gets 13 and is done
- Awake goes 10pm Thursdays at midseason
Awake will only have to go against The Mentalist, Private Practice, and Jersey Shore. Sunny isn't really a ratings threat.
- Feel Charlie's Angels out. I would also be tempted to move Castle to Thursdays at 8 and put Scandal on Mondays, but I don't know. Also, order more episodes of Scandal (only 7 right now)
- Keep Revenge on Wednesdays, full season order in the next few weeks if it holds in the mid-2s.
- I don't know what I would do about The River, doesn't really fit into anything else on ABC.
dead souls
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Damn a brutal night last night. Charlie's Angels flopped, Prime Suspect flopped, and Person of Interest will be at flop numbers (for CBS) in a few weeks probably. Don't even get me started on The CW.
Darth Pinche
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How the hell did Whitney get so many people? No competition really after the Office there really wasn't anything else to watch unless you jump in halfway. I threw in a dvd. I hope people turn away from that show quickly.
HammerOfThor
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Terra Nova will probably get canned.
I love scifi and will probably love the show, but scifi always tends to do shitty, even if its good. Just like Firefly. Just like Stargate....
I love scifi and will probably love the show, but scifi always tends to do shitty, even if its good. Just like Firefly. Just like Stargate....
dead souls said:
I'm less concerned with Person of Interest. CBS shows have shown they can grow (under the right circumstances). It's probably a better fit for 10pm, anyways. I also enjoyed Prime Suspect more than I thought I would, so that 1.8 kind of irks me. Either way, it's not as older-skewing as HARRY'S FUCK LAW WHICH IS STILL SOMEHOW ON TV.
HammerOfThor said:
I don't... what? No.
Qwomo said:
Eh, kind of. They look at them along with Nielsen + DVR + legitimate streaming numbers to gauge the level of piracy on certain shows. But the more popular a show is, the more likely it is to be pirated. Fox might be looking at them now because they aren't putting their shows on Hulu until after a delayed period of time. Though while piracy might be up, they might also argue that they've had some of their best scripted launches ever for the fall, so who knows.
If a show is big, it's big everywhere = Live, DVR, legit streaming, and piracy. Very rarely (if ever) is a show much bigger in online viewing than in live numbers.
And in terms of online viewing, right now they're making "digital nickels." There's definitely some ad revenue to be made from online viewing, but it's nothing compared to live viewing. One day, maybe. But advertisers are scared of online viewing.
Expect more product placement in the future.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Granger Danger said:
What the hell is up with her dress attire on that show?
For all the "internet" love NBC's 8 to 9PM lineup gets, have the ratings really increased?
Guess not:
Community fell 23% from last fall's premiere to a 1.7 adults 18-49 rating and Parks & Recreation was 23% lower than last season's premiere of 30 Rock at 8:30p.
goldenticket
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Qwomo said:
like that other poster said prob not but they do check on hulu views. the scrubs creator guy said so when he was trying to save scrubs. im guessing a strong showing on hulu wouldnt save a show. but it could prove there was an audience out there for something and maybe help convince a network to leave it on the air longer or try a different way to market it.
goldenticket said:
If Hulu got CBS content, it'd be a game changer. But Les Moonves isn't about it. And you can also find shows still on Fox.com, Abc.com, and Nbc.com. I also think this would help the CW, which has a terrible streaming service. But WB really doesn't like online content, so who knows.
Hulu *could* be an interesting solution, but the problem with Hulu is that it also needs to get a 3rd party (such as Nielsen) to look at its numbers. And 3rd party numbers are coming in much lower than what Hulu reports. So those issues need to be figured out. Also, it's much harder to get demographic data off of Hulu.
Nielsen is supposed to start reporting online viewing numbers sometime in the future, but they hit some technical roadblocks. Like, when you viewed something online, it showed that no one actually watched the episode. So there's that. More channels (networks and cable) need to embrace online contant while also figuring out a way to make sizable ad revenue off of it. At this point, online-only content isn't going to be feasible on a large budget (not something like Husbands or The Guild). But I do believe that we're at a point where it would be possible for online ad revenue to definitely help support a show that may be on a bubble. There's money to be made. Networks just need to get on it.
But advertisers hate change so who knows.
EDIT: I also think that shows like Harry's Law, Blue Bloods, Dancing With the Stars, and now Prime Suspect that skew unbelievably old could have a future given the right marketing. But the revenues are so much lower because it's so easy to reach old people everywhere.
Cialis and AARP commercials for everyone!
I know no one cares about Saturday morning cartoons, but here's the ratings from last week where the blocks (sort of kind of not really) debuted their schedules:
Final K6-11 Ratings for Saturday, September 17, 2011 Broadcast Networks only (Live + SD Data):
Source: Disney Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
CW (Toonzai) 0.7/3Avg. (7a-12p)
Magi-Nation 0.2/2; Magi-Nation 0.5/4; Sonic X 0.8/5; Sonic X 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/3; Sonic X 1.0/4; Dragon Ball Z Kai 0.7/3; Dragon Ball Z Kai 0.6/3; Tai Chi Chasers 0.5/2; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.5/2
NBC (Qubo on NBC)Avg. 0.5/2 (9a-12p)
Willa's Wild Life 0.4/2; Pearlie 0.4/2; Turbo Dogs 0.3/1; Shelldon 0.6/2; Magic School Bus 0.7/3; Babar 0.5/2
CBS (CookieJarTV) 0.3/1 Avg. (10a-12p)
Doodlebops Rockin Road Show 0.2/1; Doodlebops Rockin Road Show 0.3/1; Busytown Mysteries 0.3/2; Danger Rangers 0.3/2; Busytown Mysteries 0.5/2; Horseland 0.3/2
ABC dropped out of the Saturday morning block this month, and instead of getting a third party to provide content (like the other blocks), they got one to make a 9-13 year old aimed block. As such, its viewer ship numbers are hidden. They're probably absolutely terrible.
CW finally is first in something!
Final K6-11 Ratings for Saturday, September 17, 2011 Broadcast Networks only (Live + SD Data):
Source: Disney Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
CW (Toonzai) 0.7/3Avg. (7a-12p)
Magi-Nation 0.2/2; Magi-Nation 0.5/4; Sonic X 0.8/5; Sonic X 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/3; Sonic X 1.0/4; Dragon Ball Z Kai 0.7/3; Dragon Ball Z Kai 0.6/3; Tai Chi Chasers 0.5/2; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.5/2
NBC (Qubo on NBC)Avg. 0.5/2 (9a-12p)
Willa's Wild Life 0.4/2; Pearlie 0.4/2; Turbo Dogs 0.3/1; Shelldon 0.6/2; Magic School Bus 0.7/3; Babar 0.5/2
CBS (CookieJarTV) 0.3/1 Avg. (10a-12p)
Doodlebops Rockin Road Show 0.2/1; Doodlebops Rockin Road Show 0.3/1; Busytown Mysteries 0.3/2; Danger Rangers 0.3/2; Busytown Mysteries 0.5/2; Horseland 0.3/2
ABC dropped out of the Saturday morning block this month, and instead of getting a third party to provide content (like the other blocks), they got one to make a 9-13 year old aimed block. As such, its viewer ship numbers are hidden. They're probably absolutely terrible.
CW finally is first in something!
Willy105 said:
Actually, Tai Chi Chasers is a brand new show that's been seen by no one outside of Korea. Its debut is less than Sonic X episodes from 5 years ago... There's also new episodes of Dragon Ball Kai, and Magi-Nation which the CW haven't picked up yet. Lastly, they're set to premiere the newest Yu-Gi-Oh! show next month.
Can you tell which network tries?
GoutPatrol
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ReturnOfTheRAT said:
I wouldn't say Community is in trouble yet. If they can stay above 1.5 in 18-49 they will probably make it. Parks is safe no matter what because of the Emmy nods.
sparky2112
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Did anyone actually watch Person of Interest? Yeesh on the show as a whole - overwrought, laughably-acted crap. Jesus. See what I did there?
ivysaur12 said:
The problem with Toonzai is that it's run by a company who filed for Chapter 11 this year, and might lose their only guaranteed cash cow (Yu-Gi-Oh!) in a lawsuit. I believe they have the air time on the CW bought until 2014 or 2015.
It would be interesting if one of the networks abandoned their air space in favour of a Hasbro Studios run block pomoting The Hub. I think having a new Transformers, GI Joe, Duel Masters, and even My Little Pony series airing would make broadcast children's television a lot more interesting. As it stands, The Hub is doing more harm than good to those shows.
Willy105 said:
Just a note, the cable networks ratings are done differently. Disney XD's share is almost the same as Toonzai's, but Toonzai should actually have a considerably larger total viewers amount IIRC.
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